I'm Just Licking Them
The Making of Billy Squier's "Signs Of Life"
The Knight Club
New York-May '84
"Signs Of Life" signifies Billy Squier's first studio venture since 1980
outside the auspices of famed German technician/producer Mack, who collaborated
with Billy on both "Emotions In Motion" and "Don't Say No". As previously
reported, Mack and Billy parted company subsequent to the "Emotions" project.
Originally slated as Billy's new cohort was England's Mutt Lange(Def Leppard,
Foreigner, AC/DC), but last December, only days prior to the initial recording
dates, Lange was forced to withdraw from the project.
Billy's situation became problematical: where and how to find "an extra
set of ears" ("sound insurance", as Billy puts it), without causing further
interminable delays to the project. The prospects of locating someone
both "creatively and logistically compatible with my needs," were slim.
But someone was indeed found. 34 year-old New Yorker Jim Steinman was
thought by many industry observers a most peculiar, even unlikely choice
to produce a Billy Squier record. There were doubts owing to the fact
that Steinman is known primarily as a so-called 'pop' record producer.(He's
been responsible for some of the most commercial, most programmed hits
of the past 2 years. Amongst his recent successes are "Total Eclipse of
the Heart" by Bonnie Tyler, Air Supply's "Making Love Out of Nothing At
All", and the schmaltzy Barry Manilow hit, "Read 'Em And Weep".)
Another controversy with the Steinman selection was the fact that all
of his production work was with material he'd written. How would he respond
to titles he's not fathered? Could he distinguish his skills as a producer
from his seeming need to write, arrange and generally dominate the entire
creative process? Some industry wags upon hearing of the Steinman-Squier
teaming suggested we'd be in for more of that over-produced wall-of-sound
ersatz Phil Spector recording; complicated arrangements and multi-layered
over-dubs(omnipresent throughout the Tyler record and to a lesser extent
on most of Steinman's work).
But those same industry people forgot that Jim Steinman first came to
prominence over five years ago by way of his work with Meat Loaf--a hard-driving
rock outfit not known for precious blanketed arrangements or subtle, laid-back
lyrics. In fact, it was his work with Meat Loaf that first brought Steinman
to Billy's attention. As Billy himself recalls, "That first Meat Loaf
album remains one of the most passionate and exciting records of our time."
So after working with the relatively tame Tyler, Air Supply and Manilow
material, Jim says he was ready to get back into the studio with a group.
"I missed working with a band. I like the camaraderie and feeling you
get with an actual band--as opposed to studio musicians."
"With the exception of the Meat Loaf records, it's true; everything I've
done up to now I've pretty much written, arranged and produced in total.
Frankly, it's incredibly difficult to do it all. It's very draining, especially
when you've written the material you're producing. Each song tends to
become like one of your children and quite naturally you want to protect
them all. Furthermore, I usually hear arrangements and production in my
head a certain way at the time I write my songs...As the producer I won't
venture too far away from that initial concept. I'm not at all sure how
objective you can be as a producer working with material you've written.
That's what I've enjoyed about working with Billy--and what I've missed
since the Meat Loaf days. With Billy's material I was able to experiment
with more ideas, to suggest different things here and there--things I
probably wouldn't have done on my material."
The role of rock album producer is thought to be rather dubious in terms
of defining specific contributions. Of course it differs for various acts,
but with an artist like Billy(who has developed and refined a rather unique,
self-contained style and 'sound' over the years) we wondered just how
Jim might characterise that role in general and his work with Billy in
"My ultimate objective is to get the stuff down the way Billy hears it
in his mind," Steinman says with a straight-forward, matter-of-fact tone.
The initial impression one gets from a conversation with Jim Steinman
is that this is a man who first and foremost is a real fan--a true booster
of great rock.
"Working with Billy has been a challenge," Steinman explains. Since he
wasn't writing the songs this time out and because the musicians knew
all the "basics" before he arrived on the scene, the sessions provided
an entirely new opportunity for him. "There was alot I could do--which
Billy wanted--in contributing to the arrangements; with keyboards and
background vocals, for instance.
"My first aim was to open Billy up to things inside himself that he might
have not been using, to try to make the album even richer and more romantic,
more dramatic--even cinematic, theatrical. We used more studio 'techniques'
than Billy had employed in the past."
Ray Tusken is Vice-president in charge of A&R for Capitol Records.
He recently heard the rough mixes for "Signs of Life" and has his own
opinion as to the role of producer, especially Billy Squier's producer.
"The idea of having somebody there in the final analysis is to have a
sounding board--somebody with a different viewpoint. That can be incredibly
important," says Tusken, who has had an active interest in Billy's career
since the artist first signed with Capitol in 1979. In those days Tusken
was Director of Album Promotion for the company and played an important
role in first getting Billy's music exposed nationally on the country's
major radio stations.
"Jim's contribution on "Signs" was very valuable--that's apparent and
you hear it right away," Tusken further observes. "But the key thing is--and
it's pretty obvious to anyone who's worked with him--Billy is always in
COMPLETE control. You can feel it when you're with him, that it's HIM.
The "Sign of Life" project saw Billy assemble a triumvirate of unrelated,
diverse and even potentially conflicting talent. At the apex of the Squier
talent triangle is Billy and the "band". They're a well-heeled, close-knit
team, which after three years together retain a strong concept of what
they're about musically and what to expect from each other.
"We've been together for so long," reflects keyboardist Alan St Jon, "we
have a certain way we act around each other when we need to get things
done. A certain attitude--I call it a sort of magic--I think it shows
in the way we play together. The very idea of introducing a new producer
and new engineer(Tony Platt) whom we've never met before appeared awkward
in the beginning, to say the least. Since we are so very comfortable working
together," Alan continues,"for Tony and Jim to come walking into a situation
cold as they did was rather like trying to fit a yet unshaped form into
a specific mould. Could it be done, and if so, what would the degree of
difficulty be? That was the question. To acclimate ourselves to each others'
way of doing things was quite a challenge. I don't think just anybody
would have been able to stand up to it." Alan concludes, "Somehow we did
it though. The choice of Jim and Tony was simply perfect. They became
a real part of the family almost immediately--I know you can hear that
throughout "Signs of Life."
Tony Platt, Billy's new engineer was another untried part of the new Squier
production team. Normally the producer has a particular engineer he prefers
to work with and Jim Steinman is no exception. But Platt was not Jim's
regular engineer. In fact, before "Signs of Life", they'd never even met.
For "Signs of Life" Billy was interested in trying out something completely
new at every stage of the project. He knew Tony only by reputation (from
his work with Def Leppard, Foreigner, AC/DC, the Stones, etc.) before
working with him. Within the first few days in the studio, Billy was completely
enamoured with Tony's skill and innovative engineering concepts..and the
triumvirate was complete.
Commenting on entering the Squier situation with an engineer he'd never
worked with, material he'd not written and a band thoroughly rehearsed
and ready to put the music to tape, Steinman humourously remembers: "It
was wild. When I started I was real nervous about doing it--especially
about not being able to work with my engineer. Because my engineer is
like my right arm. With Tony it was like working with this right arm transplanted
from England. But after working with him it became abundantly clear the
depth of the man's talent; the breadth of his uncanny studio savvy. He
brought a whole different set of sound values with him.
"Tony hears things a certain way," Steinman outlines. "I hear things a
certain way and so does Billy. So, at the beginning I surmised our combined
ears were likely to result in producing something either catastrophic
or else truly spectacular."
Steinman presumes another reason Billy wanted to use Tony and not Jim's
regular engineer; "Beneath it all, I really think Billy didn't want to
be outnumbered. He was showing alot of faith going with me. I think he
was a little nervous because the stuff I've done in the past has had such
a personal stamp on it. I think he was a little worried that together
with my own engineer we might be somewhat regimented. In the back of his
mind, perhaps he felt that the combination might produce a record sounding
too much like one of 'my records' and not enough like one of his.
"Someone recently asked me:'Are you putting your personal stamp on this?'",
says Steinman, who will soon join Billy in London for the final mix of
the album(having completed recording in New York). "I told him--and I
think it's important everybody knows this--whatever 'stamps' you might
hear on this record are all Billy's. I'm just licking them before they
go on the envelope."
It's a metaphorical maze for Steinman, but somehow he's able to easily
telegraph the listener to the right thought by way of his rather free-wheeling
"Billy once told me he really like the adventurousness of changing elements
in a given situation," recalls Steinman. "He knew he wanted me as a producer,
but rather than bring along a whole pre-assembled team, he decided to
put a completely new one together to create a new source of energy and
input. He wanted a unique 'team' of individuals working for a common cause."
Steinman would appear to be as good a psychoanalyst as he is a producer.
Ray Tusken perceived "Signs of Life" to be a growth album for Billy. Knight
Line wondered how as record producer, Jim Steinman contrasts this to Billy's
earlier work: "I think mostly it's the material Billy's written here--it's
much richer. It's the difference between black and white and hallucinatory
colour. This album is incredibly colourful."
Jim has a proclivity for expressing himself in rather visual terms. "To
me this album is like wandering into some kind of magic forest. When you
hear it all together its like you enter this sort of dark enchanted place,
it's passion and romance..and very nocturnal.
"The first thing I told Billy when I heard the songs," he interjects with
teenage enthusiasm, "is they remind me of a real nighttime album. Images
replete with moonlight and roses, and yet there's always this tough side...the
combination is real cool.
"The lyrics are tremendous. I think Billy is prouder of these lyrics than
those on any of his other work--and that feeling is justified. This time
out Billy has become extremely adventurous and frankly he's taking alot
of chances. Most of the lyrics have a real urban, kind of gritty, tough
quality about them, a barbed-wire quality if you will. I mentioned to
Billy at one point I was thinking of writing a song about the album called
"Moonlight, Barbed Wire and Roses," those are the three images I see.
I wish the cover of the album could be a barbed-wire fence with moonlight
shining down on it and one dark red rose impaled on the fence."
observed these to be conflicting images. "That's what the whole album
is about," postulates Steinman. "There's rough/tough rock and roll here
and there's some gorgeous mid-tempo songs--and one ballad that's really
an eye-opener. I think Billy's still amazed that he wrote it."
Knight Line was anxious to extract from Billy his motivation or inspiration
behind the making of "Signs of Life". On a recent phone hook-up to the
London studio where he's mixing the album we attempted to draw him out
on the subject. "I don't mind if other people talk about it, "Billy confides,
"I just don't want to talk about it myself."
In an apparent effort to avoid pigeon-holing himself, he explains: "It
seems redundant to verbalise what goes into the creation of the music.
It's a part of my life--I spend all my time working on it. I wouldn't
attempt to speak for the music--it's there to speak for ME."
Nevertheless, the ever-probing purveyors of pop propaganda continually
seek him out. Rock critics, radio personalities and fans alike want the
ever-elusive, so-called 'meaning behind the lyric'.
"When I do the odd interview and someone asks me to discuss the songs,"
Billy says with candor, "that interview is over." Then in a tone bordering
on finality, Billy reaches down deep for a definition of his musical principles.
"I'm not here to review myself..the songs are written from my point of
view. It would be silly for me to turn around and explain them. Go talk
to Steinman. He might be more revealing."
With Jim Steinman there is little question of boredom on the subject of
Billy Squier and "Signs of Life." So he generously granted us over three
hours, during which he enunciated the album's tone and timbre; the ins-and-outs
were put into perspective with decided detail and detachment on his part.
Following are selected excerpts from our April conversation with the ebullient
Steinman(whose time and effort Knight Line gratefully acknowledges...),
whose work vis-a-vis "Signs of Life" is set to become the most programmed
music of the summer.
"This album is really a departure for Billy. The past two records had
a very specific direction and sound and didn't waver. "Signs of Life"
builds upon the foundation of those albums. It reminds me of that point
in Led Zeppelin's career when they did "Stairway To Heaven". When a Zeppelin
fan heard it, while they could tell it was Zeppelin, they also recognised
so many new elements of colour and style. On this album I think Billy
has made a analogous quantum leap musically. I think there is the equivalent
of four "Stairway to Heaven" tracks here. There are moments on "Signs
of Life" which are fabulously visionary while physically exciting. The
lyrics are emotionally open and he's able to deliver them in a way people
would only speak to a lover. The album is amazingly intimate and honest--completely
"The use of keyboards and background vocals on this album is far more
extensive than anything Billy has done before. There's alot of studio
techniques that he hasn't used before. For instance, we brought in a synclavier
which is basically this computerised synthesiser. Alan(St Jon) and Tony
manuevered it with great dexterity and turned in a most amazing job. It's
truly a phenomenal instrument. You can put any sound in the world into
it and then play that sound back with absolute fidelity. You just press
a key and get, say, a drum sound. Call up a cello and a violin and you'd
swear there were cellists and vilolinists right there--even a complete
string section if you desire. The synclavier can produce great horn sounds,
electric guitar sounds, and my particular favouorite, the "drunken cat".
Needless to say, we made great use of it on this album. (Incidentally,
the synclavier is what's responsible for 'that sound' on the Yes recording
"Owner of the Lonely Heart".)
"All the basic tracks were cut real fast this time. They were done in
about six or seven days. I recall during the sessions Billy saying "God,
these songs are LONG", but they're not really--all around 4-5 minutes.
Since I've written songs 10 minutes plus, they seemed almost like jingles
"There's alot of danceable stuff on "Signs of Life", yet it's not what
you'd call a dance record by any means. However, you will find alot of
dance elements there. I pushed it that way because I thought that would
make it more exciting. It's not light dance music, it's more the kind
the natives might do around a fire while they're cooking the missionary.
A real pulsing kind of dance music--very hypnotic.
"Some of the songs are tremendously dark, emotionally revealing; you get
the feeling Billy really had to get alot of the things he's saying here
out. The band came in with everything very well rehearsed, so what you
hear in the end is about 60 percent predetermined. The rest, however,
was completely spontaneous. Over the weeks of recording, Billy and I would
go home and make copius notes, listing the things we wanted to do and/or
try. We'd try all those things, and maybe another dozen or so right on
the spot...just for good measure.
"Signs of Life" is one of the best pure rock and roll records I've heard
in years. It's not finished at this point, but that's how I relate to
it. With what's out there, there's no comparison with songs like on the
Van Halen record, for instance. I love Van Halen, but these songs go way
beyond that--it would be laughable to compare it with a record like the
Scorpions'. I put this record right up there with Def Leppard, except
this one has much more depth to it. I'm a huge Def Leppard fan too, and
I think their record is great. It's just that this record has all the
fun, plus it has the velocity and thrills...and passion.
"The atmosphere in the studio was literally a party. With other stuff--where
I've written everything--the atmosphere can be incredibly intense because
I'm doing all the parts. I don't have a second to think. With this project,
there was a sensational flowing interplay between the people. I think
the highlights outside the musical elements were the three times when
for some reason we ordered out for barbeque. On those occasions we had
some of the funniest conversations. Billy kept saying he'd wished he's
taped it because they frequently got to a level of lunacy that was hard
"Since Billy and I are basically co-producing, there were things that
I didn't need to be around for. I could take what I call an "ear break"--I
figured "well this is in fine hands, I'm gonna go rest my ears", and I'd
go outside. You REALLY know a project's working well when even if you're
not literally in the room, you're still there in a sense. Like a force.
It's the same when Billy's not there and I'm listening to something. He's
there and I can feel his presence; I can sort of imagine what he would
be thinking as he listened. He says the same thing about me. That's ultimately
what chemistry is all about: When people are really working TOGETHER.
This has been one of the smoothest projects I've ever worked on.
"I think this album will hit people like a hurricane. There are three
or four anthems in there. I always imagine a kid listening in a room to
the songs when I'm working on them, and if I were that kid I'd be devastated
by this record. It's such a passionate, strongly felt record. I think
their first impression will be that it's a real powerhouse. It's an aggressive
strong, uncompromising record. I think "Signs of Life" redefines what
rock and roll can be in this particular decade in that it's a very sophisticated
mix of all the new elements in pop music. The way it synthesises everything
is what I feel is most impressive. "Signs of Life" is an example of how
real rock and roll can absorb the various elements of pop and dance music,
techno-pop, etc., and mould it all together to come up with something
that's totally original and yet still immediately recognisable as pure
rock and roll. I think the best music of the genre has always mixed everything
together, from the early Beatles, Stones, the Who..right down the line.
What they'll really be hearing is 'state of the art' rock and roll.
"Billy's band is the most cohesive and best rehearsed group I've ever
worked with in the studio. I've always liked the band but now that I've
worked with them I'm doubly impressed. Bobby(Chouinard), Alan, Doug(Lubahn),
and Jeff(Golub) are all real nice guys too--great players willing to try
anything. The great thing is none of the people involved in the project
act like they're 'stars'. They behave as though they really have to prove
something each time out, on each song. It's been a real communal effort.
Alot of imput. Billy's good about that. He really seeks out other people's
"Billy seems very trusting, and I'm very trusting of him. We both feel
very at ease with each other. Neither of us is very protective in the
sense that 'this is my turf, these are my ideas, and I want to protect
them'. If he says, "That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard!", I don't
consider it an insult; that would never occur to me. Billy is brilliant
in the sense of dealing with people. He knows how to bring the best things
out. It was a very tricky situation, because I'm used to having total
control and telling people what to do. I don't think Billy is used to
working with someone like that. I'm not dominating but I have a very strong
set of ideas about things...so the stage was set for a potenial 'clash
of the titans'. But it wasn't like that at all. I don't take alot of the
stuff that I do all that seriously; as I say, if Billy thinks an idea
is stupid, that's fine. We just joke about it. If he reacts negatively
to something I really believe in, I just nag him about it. During the
entire experience of working with him, I think he showed a real openess
about everything. Billy has a tremendous sense of integrity."