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rockfenris2005 06:46 am MST 04/25/12 |
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I've been listening to the early albums a lot lately, especially "Cold Spring Harbor". I pretty much love the whole thing at the moment but I only recently heard the original version that had been mastered at the wrong speed. I'm gathering that you know about that? (It was originally mastered at the wrong speed so Billy sounded like the Chipmunks on his first album. They didn't even bother to correct it. They just said they'd fix it later on. He toured that album and he was leaving on peanut butter jelly sandwiches and he'd go to the record stores and he wouldn't find one copy of that damn album.) Here I was thinking they just re-released it at the right speed, but no... "You can make me free" is actually six minutes on the original version. They do this huge jam at the end which I'd never heard. There's orchestra on the album. My favourite track from the whole album "Tomorrow is today" which I have sat there and listened to time after time, just that haunting piano and vocal, suddenly had an entire orchestral accompaniment. It was freaking trippy. I thought, wow. I had no idea. They stripped all of it back. You can listen to the original version on YouTube. I even managed to find a copy of the original record from 71 on eBay which now goes nicely with my recent acquisition, the 1983 reissue. Love that album. To me it's his most raw and intimate and I love listening to the contrast with "Piano Man". I think they should be played back to back. "Piano Man" is much more polished and upbeat in comparison which sort of brings it full circle for me. "Streetlife Serenade" is filled with jewels, many under-rated tracks. I love the title track, "The great suburban showdown", "Root beer rag", "Roberta", "The last of the big time spenders", "The Mexican connection". There's a lot of jewellery on that album. "Turnstiles" is terrific from beginning to end. > yeah billy did very well.I prefer The Stranger to 52nd > street.Mainly cause of "scenes from an italian > restaurant" > But both are great albums > > > > > Yes. You're right. They call it the second album curse. > > Loads of artists have fallen into this trap. Off the top > > of my head, Alanis Morissette. "Jagged Little Pill" was > > huge but I can't even remember the name of the follow-up. > > I don't think I've even heard one of the songs. There was > > also Hootie and the Blowfish "Cracked Rear View". That was > > humungous. Then there was "Fairweather Johnson". Most > > recently Wolfmother in Australia, that epic first album > > and then they changed the line-up almost completely for > > that second album and I don't think that did as well and > > who knows what's happening with the third. But then > > there's Queen "A Day at the Races", Pink Floyd "Wish you > > were here" which is one of the best follow-up albums of > > all time for me, and Billy Joel "52nd Street" which was > > just as good if not better than "The Stranger". Carole > > King seems to be pretty much remembered for just one album > > these days, "Tapestry", even though we know she's made > > dozens of others. > > > > > > > > Ideally, as much as I love "Dead Ringer" and "Back into > > > Hell", I would have wanted that second album to be "Bad > > > for Good" - as we know it - with Meat's vocals. We > > > probably would have had the definitive versions of "Bad > > > for Good", "Surf's up" and "Left in the dark" without all > > > of these covers that differ in quality. Ah well. I can't > > > really complain with the way it's all turned out because > > > like I said I love those albums. My problem with "Dead > > > Ringer" as you said is the production. I'd really like to > > > see another attempt at it. Any musicians here should rally > > > together and put together a fully produced tribute album > > > and I can pretty much guarantee that it would sound > > > better, at least sonically speaking. Those songs are > > > amazing. There is not one track on "Dead Ringer" I do not > > > like A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.I have that book as well.Along with a bunch of > > > > print interviews from the music mags at the time.Just > > > > didnt go looking. > > > > They really did suffer from the follow up album problem > > > > that a lot of artist have.The record company is keen to > > > > rush the artist back into the studio while the artists may > > > > need a bit more time to develop the songs or to recover > > > > from touring and what not.And jimmy is not known for his > > > > speed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dug this out, from “Meat Loaf Jim Steinman and the > > > > > Phenomenology of Excess” by Sandy Robertson, 1981 Omnibus > > > > > Press. > > > > > > > > > > “The sequel to ‘Bat Out Of Hell’ was to be released in > > > > > June 1979. June came and went, and the release date was > > > > > put back week by week. The album was ‘Renegade Angel’ then > > > > > ‘Bad For Good’ then ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Dreams Come Through’. > > > > > Track listing changed constantly. Producers cited included > > > > > Jimmy Iovine, Todd Rundgren and Steinman himself. As the > > > > > delays wore on, the rumours grew more outrageous. > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf had lost his voice. > > > > > Meat Loaf had gone mad. > > > > > The master tapes were lost/stolen/destroyed. > > > > > The songs stunk like a ten-day corpse. > > > > > > > > > > Visiting the CBS conference via Concorde with his new wife > > > > > Leslie, Meat laughed off all this as he told me in > > > > > September ’79: “We’ll have it out in January. I went in > > > > > for about four weeks and did vocals, but we didn’t like > > > > > ‘em ‘cause I haven’t lived with the songs… Steinman’s, > > > > > they’re really different, so you have to live with the > > > > > mothers.” > > > > > While not being entirely frank, Meat remained confidence, > > > > > on the surface at least. “I’m not even gonna be around > > > > > when they finish mixing it. I might break up a bar, > > > > > destroy a pub when the album’s through, go in and bust a > > > > > few mirrors. The title song has cannons on it!” > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found the story: > > > > > > > > > > Sound Magazine – Canada > > > > > June 1978 > > > > > By Ritchie Yorke > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > > > > > Q. Your point is well made, what can you tell us about the > > > > > next Meat Loaf album? > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf: Well, we’ve got one song called Everything Is > > > > > Permitted which is real good. It’s along the same theme as > > > > > the first album. Plus there’s a tune called More Than You > > > > > Deserve which we’ve been doing for a long time on stage. > > > > > In a way, it’s become a sort of theme song, but we’ve > > > > > never had the right arrangements for it. Jim has worked on > > > > > it a lot and I now think we’ve gotten it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm if that is true i wonder if EIP would have ended the > > > > > > album like it does on DR. > > > > > > EIP is the only song on the album that sounds like it is > > > > > > from Neverland as far as the lyrics go although having > > > > > > peter singing "I'll kill you if.."as a lament to wendy > > > > > > going back home would be interesting.lol > > > > > > I like the songs on DR but i have never been a big fan of > > > > > > the production on the album. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course jim having his lyric book stolen didnt help. > > > > > > I guess i really should say Renegade angel when talking > > > > > > about the album that never was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if Meat had done that album it also would have > > > > > > > included "More than you deserve" which they'd played on > > > > > > > tour, and also "Everything is permitted" was mentioned in > > > > > > > 79 I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good point.What songs did they start to work on as > > > > > > > > the follow up to Bat? > > > > > > > > We know what songs are on BFG and Deadringer yet we dont > > > > > > > > really know which songs jim had planned for the album that > > > > > > > > never was with meat on vocals.Would it have been BFG as we > > > > > > > > know it or could there have been a different album track > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. I wonder if Meat did actually record (or > > > > > > > > > attempt to record) a version back in 79/80/81. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory.As much as i love meats version with the extra lines, > > > > > > > > > > Bad for good has been with me since i got the album for my > > > > > > > > > > 10th birthday,30 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > The melody is un jim like in a way.Its direct and the > > > > > > > > > > track sounds clean and crisp,even now 30 odd years later > > > > > > > > > > And the opening of RnR dreams is always thrilling. > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine who is a big Meat loaf fan told me she > > > > > > > > > > likes the bat 2 version better as the BFG version sounds a > > > > > > > > > > bit too happy. > > > > > > > > > > I said thats the point.Its the exhale of breath after the > > > > > > > > > > drama of Left in the dark which in my minds eye ends in > > > > > > > > > > that dark room but RnR dreams is the beam of light from > > > > > > > > > > the slightly open door to something better than what is > > > > > > > > > > there in the present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meat or Rory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta go with those 3 as well.But i would love to have > > > > > > > > > > > > been there when Rock and roll dreams was done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you could go back in time and watch stuff being > > > > > > > > > > > > > recorded, what would it be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll start with my top three (in no particular order): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When Todd supposedly picked up the guitar to record the > > > > > > > > > > > > > "motorcycle", improvised, on Bat Out Of Hell. I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what actually happened there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The recording of Prey Lewd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Quite frankly, all of For Crying Out Loud. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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