Posted by kris on November 14, 1998 at 19:36:55:
I just figured out what bat out of hell was all about and thats some deep $hit I usally listen to rap but Im starting to get into this stuff jim steinman writes from life expieriances and has great lyrics Ilook forward to hear more from him.
Posted by Paul Magee on November 14, 1998 at 17:10:58:
Scarpia!
Woooo now that would rock. Extend a kiss to 18 minutes long with a classic Steinman intro, you know Piano, the wind, motorcycles and let Scarpia loose on the single charts with it.
PS Make the 'B' side an instrumental version.
Posted by Kyle on November 13, 1998 at 22:29:51:
I'd love to see what the Steinman mind has planned for the silver-screen. Movies would be the best way to expand on your studio built world of fantasy. I'd really like to see you assign to your score some visuals and a storyline beyond music video and the stage. We're long overdue for a film so breathtaking and revolutionary in the way it combines site and sound that it paralyzes the audience. You can make a film like that, without doubt.
Posted by WILLY on November 14, 1998 at 11:57:34:
Thats the ultimate fantasy. The ultimate border.
You can write the script, the music, the dream.
Ill be your creative producer!
Forget Titanic. Something like Neverlad would be
the no. 1 movie of all time.
Well, maybe not, but it would be great.
Come on Jim, get yourself inside a movie studio
right now!
WILLY
Posted by Karl John Krumrey IV on November 13, 1998 at 10:57:00:
Who should Steinman work with? Now, let's stick all the 'great voices' and, to be quite blunt, old, fat guys named after a dinner dish aside. How about a BAND for once? The only BAND Steinman has worked with were the Sisters.. and Def Lep but they fired him (Even though I bet they wouldn't if they got back on terms with him now). Two words for you people. VAN HALEN. Think about it. Eddie Martinez? How bout Eddie Van Halen, the greatest guitarist to ever live? You'll forget all about Max Weinberg after hearing Alex thunder out a few beats. And Gary Cherone (Lead singer number 3) could easily handle his songs. Now come on, THIS is an idea.
Posted by Paul Magee on November 13, 1998 at 15:40:01:
In Reply to: Steinman and.... posted by Karl John Krumrey IV on November 13, 1998 at 10:57:00:
Great idea, and how about Extreme (if they are still around.
Posted by Angie on November 13, 1998 at 10:30:10:
a few instrumental versions of songs being released as b-sides to singles. It's more beautiful and less *boring* than a dance remix, and less trouble than a whole new song... though whole new songs would do just fine too, oh yes. Extended edits are good too... "we put the 20 minute version of this song on the single 'cause they said it wouldn't fit on the album" - that'd go down really well...
Angie
Posted by Cat On The Stairs on November 12, 1998 at 20:54:56:
No one could bring back the live action movie musical like Jim could. Possibly do Dance of The Vampires-The American Version. It wasen't that long ago that Cabaret won an Oscar for best Picture. Now it's Jim's turn.
Posted by Mary on November 10, 1998 at 18:38:55:
Please work again with Bonny. She is the best for your songs, even moreso than Celine Dion.
I really like her version of Making love out of Nothing at All. My favorite song of hers is Faster than the Speed of Night.
A guy I like at school asked me what the song Total Eclipse of the Heart was really about and I wasn't able to put it into words. I think he though I was nuts becuase it was right after I told him I listened to that song hundreds of times in my life.
Can you please tell me, Jim? Does anyone here have an idea? Most of your stuff is hard to put in words but I understand it totally on the inside.
I have no other advice, just work again with Bonny when you get the time.
Thank you,
Mary
Posted by Bernard E. on November 13, 1998 at 09:05:57:
In Reply to: More Bonny Tyler and what is Total Eclpise all about? posted by Mary on November 10, 1998 at 18:38:55:
I think it the story of a beautiful woman who
remembers bien in love with a magigal creature
of the night, most likly, a vampier.
Posted by Jacqueline on November 11, 1998 at 00:52:27:
In Reply to: Re: More Bonny Tyler and what is Total Eclpise all about? posted by Xavier T on November 10, 1998 at 20:56:11:
Xay said:
"my interpretation of the song is one of profound loss, and the semi-sane richness and enlightenment that follows. "
and I add:
...and about those moments not wasted (although, in truth, they were just a minuscule fraction of our lives) being the only time we were ever really alive..."I want to feel the rapture, feel the fire..." " "Every now and then I get a little bit terrified and then I see the look in your eyes..." "Do you really want to see me crawl?..." "But I'll never forgive myself if we don't go all the way, tonight..." "I just need some love, so turn out the lights and I'll be left in the dark again..." "And it's all coming back to me now..." "Once upon a time I was falling in love, now I'm only falling apart..." Ah, Total Eclipse - probably the most *Steinmanian* song ever!!!
Peace to you,
Jacqueline
Posted by Wolfgang Liebert on November 10, 1998 at 08:50:11:
Dear Jim Steinman
Dear Jimmy Woodriver
Thanx Jimmy for considering me such a great artist.
But I'd like to say to everyone who's read your post,
that I was not aware of it. I wouldn't have wanted it!
Of course I'd love to be signed by the ravenous Jim,
but that's definitely not the way to call for
attention. I appreciate your innocent wish to help
me Jimmy, cos you really are a great firend, but that
went a bit too far.
As a Steinmaniac I of course I read the Dream Pollution
site and of course I had to find that post. I'm not
angry, I'm very flattered, but please ... To everyone
who read it, don't get it wrong! I'm not trying to sell
myself like that. Jimmy's sweet help was unsolicited!
Thanks Jimmy!
Thanks to all of you for your understanding
Wolfgang Liebert
PS: Special greetings to Jacqueline and Susan
Posted by Wolfgang Liebert on November 10, 1998 at 09:40:41:
I forgot to mention that Unisong is by no means comparable to the Grammy Awards. I wish it was
Wolfgang
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 21:02:06:
...Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?!? Hey Jim, how about a 50th Birthday celebration for YOU?!? It would be incredible to see all those great performers (from Manilow to MeatLoaf!) together on one stage (preferrably in Australia!)...c'mon, you deserve it more than that geek, Lloyd- Webber!!! :-)
Posted by Susan on November 09, 1998 at 18:45:03:
Take my advice and grant me this one little wish! Please!!
Picture this - "An Evening With Jim Steinman" at Carnegie Hall. You could play piano and talk about your songs, where they came from, what they mean to you. Kind of like a Storytellers with class! ;->
You could have selected guests appear - perhaps people you have worked with - or people you would like to work with.
It would be a dream come true for me and my guess is, a lot of your fans and an evening I would remember for the rest of my life.
Take care,
Susan
Posted by the Steingirl on November 10, 1998 at 00:29:33:
In Reply to: Carnegie Hall posted by Susan on November 09, 1998 at 18:45:03:
Yes, yes, YES, I couldn't agree more! But only if you invite me!!!
Posted by Jimmy Granström on November 09, 1998 at 13:15:28:
Maybe you don't remember this, Jim, but early June you received a package from the members of the list including lyrics and stories and stuff.
I sent you a tape which started off with three weeks songs by a guy called Wolfgang Liebert. According to several Steinmaniacs on the list, Wolfgang's written some of the most Steinman-like songs they've ever heard.
I mean, if you compare Wolfgang's songs to something like "Never Forget", you must admit they're far better(if you're still able to find my tape in that famous mess of yours... (: ), and even so, "Never Forget" turned out to be a really spectacular production!
Just think what you could do with some great tunes!
I'm not only writing this so I can recommend Wolfgang's great talent, I'm also writing you this so you'll get to know that one of your biggest fans has earned international success!
Wolfgang just recently participated in UniSong, the biggest songwriting contest in the world(next to the Eurovision Song Contest, but that doesn't count! ha!ha!), where a song of his got the third position in the Latin category!!!
There were over 20,000 entries and his song was considered the third best song in the Latin-style even though Wolfgang's a pure German!
I'd say that's quite an achievement!
Don't get this the wrong way, but that can almost be compared to if you ever won a grammy in the rap/soul-genre(not saying now that your songs are soulless, of course, but I think you know what I'm trying to say)!
The proof of what I'm saying is out there on the net at www.unisong.com, and Wolfgang's artist-name is Julian Martin III.
I realize that time can't allow you to search for talented songwriters, so why don't just sign Wolfie to Ravenous Records and see what he comes up with!
You don't have to tell the world about it, just give the guy a chance and see what he's capable of doing!
If it fails, you're one experience richer, if it doesn't, you've got another winner in your "stable"!
Go for it, Jim, you can't lose anything here!
For better or for worse, Wolfgang can be found at: JulianSongs@usa.net
//Woodie
Posted by bat_out_of_hell_2100 on November 09, 1998 at 12:47:33:
I really really hate to ask this since I know how damaging the MP3 market is to musicians, the RIAA, etc.
But if anybody has any actual Steinman, Fire, Inc., or other Steinman written MP3s that they could FTP or e-mail to me, I'd appreciate it greatly.
In fact, this would be better:
Take every song Steinman has ever written, and put it all on an album. I don't care how long it is...3, 4, 5 CDs and I'll still buy it.
I will (eventually) buy Steinman's Bad For Good and Meat's Bad Attitude Pandora's Box and other albums that Jim has written exclusively, but I sure as hell don't want to buy stuff like Boyzone (especially since it's not even available in the US yet, or is it??) for one damn song. I wouldn't be caught dead with Celine Dion's album just for It's all coming back...
I love Jim's music more than anything else ever recorded. I want to die listening to Bat Out of Hell...
All I want is more stuff for now until I can afford (and find) some of Jim's other work.
Just grant me this one thing...a few MP3s...
thanks...
Posted by The Man on November 10, 1998 at 10:23:33:
In Reply to: MP3s... posted by bat_out_of_hell_2100 on November 09, 1998 at 12:47:33:
Now that you can cut your own CDs I suggest you bite the bullet and buy Celine Dion, Boyzone, etc, dub the Steinman off of them and pitch the rest at some used CD shop.
What's money, hey? If you truly love Jim's music you got little choice. Hell, I even bought Air Supply (what a bunch of wimps).
And you gotta get BAD 4 GOOD -- truly great pure Steinman there.
I've been listening to selected cuts Steinman for years, mixing the Fire Inc, JS, Tyler & Meat together, looking forward to having it all on disc the way I want it now.
And now I can add the Tina, Pandora, Sisters of Mercy etc that I didn't know about before I hit the web....
Posted by VERONICA HART on November 09, 1998 at 05:14:28:
HEY JIM -
I ONLY HAVE ONE WORD OF ADVICE.
THINK MADONNA!
SHE HAS THE VOICE TO SING YOUR SONGS, THE MOVES TO DANCE AND THE ACTING SKILLS TO MAKE A MINI MOVIE OF A MUSIC VIDEO.
MADONNA AND STEINMAN WOULD BE AN UNBEATABLE DUO!!
VERONICA
Posted by Jimmy Granström on November 09, 1998 at 12:38:15:
In Reply to: ONE WORD ONLY posted by VERONICA HART on November 09, 1998 at 05:14:28:
eh....I may be very wrong here, but....the name "Veronica Hart" sounds very familiar to me....it sounds "Candy in Whistle"-familar....I'm I wrong?
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 02:49:00:
Jim, I have been a huge fan of yours since I was born, although sometimes I have rebelled against the that which your songs have made me feel. But for 18 long years in this sad, cruel world I have faced life with nothing but a worn copy of "Bad For Good" to sustain me...(and the odd Meat/Bonnie/Fire Inc song) but NOTHING has made a deeper impact on me than your OWN vocals! Okay, maybe your voice isn't perfect (I don't pretend to know anything about music) but it is so pure; it can be so liltingly gentle, or so powerfully wild, but it ALWAYS affects me so profoundly... Please, please, please, record more of your OWN songs; I don't care if someone else has recorded them, and your fans won't either...If you won't do it for us, if you won't do it for yourself, then do it for the MUSIC, because no one can do it justice like you can...and isn't the music the most important thing?
Posted by the Steingirl on November 09, 1998 at 03:41:48:
In Reply to: Jim, please record again!!! posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 02:49:00:
Now YOU took the words right out of MY mouth...Three words:
SING, Jimmy; SING!!!
Posted by Peter Gustov on November 08, 1998 at 19:38:24:
To my favorite musical person I say "Happy Birthday"
Posted by Psycho on November 08, 1998 at 13:19:26:
I'd like too see some new songs that sound a bit more "rocky", something in the good old Meat Loaf style.I mean there's nothing wrong with Boyzone, but I miss some songs like Everything Louder Than Everything Else or Bat Out of Hell.
By the way, I listen to everything from country to heavy metall(with an emphasis on the latter), but some four years after I first heard a song by you(I'm 15) I still think you're the gratest thing I've ever heard, Jim. Thanks for the hours of pleasure you've offered me.
Psycho(from Greece)
Posted by Just one of many. on November 07, 1998 at 23:18:56:
Ignore them all Jim. You are 100% perfect. Giving comfort to those who listen every day, all the time or just once in their life, when they really, really need it the most and hear just one of your songs. I've got no advice. I owe myself to you. Thanks for *_EVERYTHING_*.
Posted by Moco Steinman on November 07, 1998 at 13:41:02:
Really Jim... get rid of Boyzone. Get rid of Meat Loaf. Teel Tina Arena to stop all of her "yeah yeah ohhhyeahohhhhyeaeaeaeah" ing crap. It's really very annoying.
Posted by Susan on November 08, 1998 at 11:58:23:
In Reply to: Stuff that Sucks posted by Moco Steinman on November 07, 1998 at 13:41:02:
Hi Moco,
I liked the Boyzone single No Matter What, and I like the Meat Version too. Both are distinctive in their style and each give the listener a different perspective on what is being said.
I think Tina Arena could handle Jim's style of writing and do a great job with his songs. Jim would need to produce the cd, but if that happened I bet it would be very successful and terrific to listen to. I hope he works with her again soon.
Perhaps it is the age difference between us and the stlye of music we like that cause the difference of opinion. Who would you like to see Jim work with in the future?
Susan
Posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:20:30:
In Reply to: Re: Stuff that Sucks posted by Susan on November 08, 1998 at 11:58:23:
This is a momentous occassion, indeed! I get to
post, and interact, in the same forum with Susan
Hlavacek! I won't let you down, Susan.
You make an excellent point that Tina Arena could
definitely handle Jim's stuff IF Jim produced it,
or at least had a hand in the production.
But then, the latter seems to be the case for
nearly everyone who attempts a Steinsong.
The Boyzone single was pleasing to the ear, but I
must admit that I don't think it went number one
because of the song, necessarily. It had a lot to
do with it, yes, but definitely was not the only
factor.
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 02:05:47:
In Reply to: Re: Stuff that Sucks posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:20:30:
Anybody who is on the Steinman mailing list will probably know that I HATE TINA ARENA!!! I'm sorry, Jim, but you could do so much better. In all fairness, I haven't heard the work you've done with her (since it's so hard to get anything recent you've done in Australia)- with your amazing skills, I'm sure you could make her sound terrific- but she her wailing just doesn't have the passion that your music commands. And in one of life's cruel ironies, the Australian version of her "In Deep" album, unfortunately already released here, is the only version of that album, as far as I know, IN THE WORLD that has no trace of any work you did with her.
WHY GOD WHY?!?
Posted by Susan on November 07, 1998 at 05:16:06:
Hi Jim,
Since everyone is telling you what to do, here's my
$.02. I would love to see you work with Tina Arena again, write some new songs and mix them with some older ones like "Safe Sex" and "The Future Just Ain't What It Used To Be". I think Tina has a great voice which would work well with your style of writing.
My next suggestion is for you to write your own musical for Broadway. I think it would be cool for you to follow the trials and triumps of love from a woman's perspective from a young teen until she is a senior citizen.
And lastly, please work some more with Steve Barton. While he isn't your typical "pop" star, he has a great voice, and I can see him singing on a movie soundtrack, or in another musical for you.
Be well,
Susan
Posted by Rosi on November 07, 1998 at 06:19:49:
In Reply to: Tina Arena posted by Susan on November 07, 1998 at 05:16:06:
Hi Jim, Susan is absolutly correct, you should work again with Steve Barton. I´m very enthusiastic about him singing your songs. He is really great. And please, if there is an english version of "Dance of the vampires", don´t even think about someone else to sing the part of Count Krolock. It has to be Steve Barton. It´s great that the complete musical is now out on CD, but a lot of people are disappointed because it´s not a LIVE- CD. Perhaps it is possible that there is one to come. Bye Rosi
Posted by Laurie on November 09, 1998 at 07:57:58:
In Reply to: Re: Tina Arena - Steve Barton posted by Rosi on November 07, 1998 at 06:18:48:
I third this. Steve Barton brings so much to the role that another performer playing this part would be a pale imitation of his portrayal of Krolock. Hmmm, I wonder how he would fare in other songs? *hint* *hint*
Posted by Susan on November 09, 1998 at 18:37:18:
In Reply to: Re: Tina Arena - Steve Barton posted by Laurie on November 09, 1998 at 07:57:58:
The question is, do you think Steve Barton has enough sex appeal to make him a Pop/Rock star?
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 20:51:24:
In Reply to: Re: Tina Arena - Steve Barton posted by Susan on November 09, 1998 at 18:37:18:
Not as much as Jim! :-)
Posted by Jacqueline on November 06, 1998 at 23:23:56:
...with Aris (from Vampire), Dean (from Whistle)and Steve (from Boyzone). Call the band The Pack - so you can be the leader (hehehe). Have their first single be Something Of This Masquerade May Follow or write them a new song equally as good (your choice). Cast me as the female lead in video and keep the story for it as close to the video for Pandora's version of It's All Coming Back To Me Now as possible. Try to have this done for me by the first of next year. I'm not getting any younger and I can't wait much longer. Thanking you in advance...
Jacqueline
Posted by the Steingirl on November 09, 1998 at 03:45:30:
In Reply to: Form a young boy band posted by Jacqueline on November 06, 1998 at 23:23:56:
Don't pay any attention to Jackie! I'M the female lead here!!! (You know, if you agree I can probably find MANY different ways to thank you...)Oops, I shouldn't say that on an official website, should I?
Posted by Jacqueline on November 09, 1998 at 04:34:24:
In Reply to: Re: Form a young boy band posted by the Steingirl on November 09, 1998 at 03:45:30:
" Don't pay any attention to Jackie! I'M the female lead here!!! (You know, if you agree I can probably find MANY different ways to thank
you...)Oops, I shouldn't say that on an official website, should I? "
Why not? When you "dare to dream to dream his dream" your mind (and mouth) is always allowed to wander.
Posted by Laurie on November 09, 1998 at 07:52:21:
In Reply to: Re: Form a young boy band posted by Jacqueline on November 09, 1998 at 04:34:24:
May I suggest a trio? :)
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 20:47:36:
In Reply to: Re: Form a young boy band posted by Laurie on November 09, 1998 at 07:52:21:
Hell, why not just form a second- rate "Pandora's Box" II ?!? None of us can sing, but we've all got other talents that REALLY count... waddya say, Jimmy?!? ;-)
Posted by Xavier T on November 09, 1998 at 00:14:28:
In Reply to: Form a young boy band posted by Jacqueline on November 06, 1998 at 23:23:56:
Mmmmm.....Jacqueline, I detect a cradle-snatching fetish here. Sounds like fun. Can I watch?
Posted by King of Fools... on November 06, 1998 at 21:34:03:
Make the music the way you see it; make the music
with whoever you feel is the voice the dream demands.
Dare to dream it and dare to make it real; some of
us will simply be thankful to have whatever you share
of the dream and to know that someone somewhere gives
off sparks like the ones tormenting us late at night.
Dream more,
G. Matthew
Posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:25:33:
In Reply to: ...dream more. posted by King of Fools... on November 06, 1998 at 21:34:03:
You know...
I don't like the way this implies that everyone
who posted their advice on what Jim should do
differently is some kind of selfish bastard who
doesn't truly appreciate the music.
You talk about your pompous claims, well this one
takes the cake and the rest of the dessert tray
right along with it!
Just because I prefer Jim Steinman not to work w/
Meat Loaf any more does not make me some sort of
ingrate.
I was simply participating in the discussion, and
then I have to deal with this shite about how
you're holier than thou because you appreciate
everything and have no dissenting opinion?
I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
I appreciate everything I've heard, whether that
be Meat Loaf's massacre of "Left In the Dark," or
Bonnie Tyler's "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad."
They're all gifts from the gods, but that doesn't
mean I have to worship them all.
Posted by King of Fools... on November 11, 1998 at 22:10:41:
In Reply to: Re: ...dream more. posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:25:33:
Why, Ed, don't you realize that he is going to make
it his way no matter what we say ? Inspired; that is
the way things are going to be to begin with. I never
said that someone else's opinion was a not valid. It
is perfectly fine. But considering the way Jim himself
has stated he is protective of his songs, I think I am
simply saying "hey, do what you want and I'll listen
with love in my heart." BTW, I don't remember ever
saying I make pompous claims, just melodramatic ones.
Dream more,
G. Matthew
Posted by Xavier T on November 08, 1998 at 23:40:06:
In Reply to: Re: ...dream more. posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:25:33:
Come on guys and girls. We're all a getting a wee bit over-excited here. How about we concede that the Loaf has done some good and some bad. No - he shouldn't have tortured the likes of "Surf's Up" but no-one else on earth could have carried off "Bat Out Of Hell" like he did . Look at the bright side. Every time he brings out a song its like a lucky dip - will it be good or will it be shit? Gives us all something to look forward to. No-one's perfect.
Posted by Jurgen A Pelz on November 06, 1998 at 18:08:04:
As a fan from my early teens until now (35), I always look forward in any new release from yourself. But the recent recordings of your works seemm to be harder and harder to purchase in this country.
Please, please when will they be available here?
Jurgen
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 01:51:50:
In Reply to: Australian releases of Whistle and Dance! posted by Jurgen A Pelz on November 06, 1998 at 18:08:04:
Damn straight!!! Sorry guys- I don't know about you two, but in Perth it's awful! According to WA music stores (and believe me, I've pestered them all!) Tanz der Vampire can't even be ORDERED- it's not on the suppliers' lists (whatever that means!) and the "Whistle" CD costs $60 and takes ages to arrive! I've only just figured out how and where to get hold of "Pandora's Box" and I can't wait to get it! I gotta wait 4 weeks still *sigh*, but it's worth the wait!!! Pretty depressing for a starving student like myself. I have to save my AUSTUDY for a few months to pay for all the damn imports. In my fantasies Jim turns up at my doorstep with every single copy of every rare recording he's ever done, signed and free! Then he takes all his clothes off and we... well... I'm getting a little off track here. WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE OPEN A JIM STEINMAN SPECIALTY STORE IN AUSTRALIA?!? They'd get my business!!!
Posted by Xavier T on November 10, 1998 at 01:08:08:
In Reply to: Re: Australian releases of Whistle and Dance! posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 01:51:50:
Don't know whether you have HMV in Perth but the following CD's are generally available ex HMV Brisbane (Mt Gravatt store). Prices are approx.
Bonnie Tyler (UK) "FTTSON" 1983 @$25, 1985 CD (UK) @$30, 1993 Meatloaf/Bonnie compilation (UK) "Heaven & Hell" @$28, Meatloaf "BOOH" (Oz) 1978 @$20, "DR4L" (Oz) 1981 @$20, "BOOH2" (UK) 1993 @$28,
1998 "BOOH/DR4L" two CD pack @$28, Air Supply "Greatest Hits" (Oz) @$25, Celine Dion CD 1996 (Oz) @$28.
There's a new importer in town that looks promising for the newer stuff normally not available in Oz. Have sent off a list of titles and will advise when I hear back from them.
Posted by Kat Winter on November 06, 1998 at 10:59:56:
Put out another album with YOU singing. I know many people don't think you have as powerful a voice as say Meat Loaf of Celine Dion or a number of others, but when I listen to Bad For Good and when I listen to like, BOOH2, there's something more raw and powerful about Bad For Good. There's something in your voice that breaks barriers and hearts and could melt the polar caps. More advice: Get together with this dude Blackie Lawless, the singer for the band W.A.S.P. He put out an album called Crimson Idol a few years ago that just sounds and feels like y'all are on the same wave length (or i'm just crazy). More advice: put out an 'album' of just your spoken word stuff. It may be a trendy thing to do, but you can do it better than anyone. Final advice: Never quit, never stop rocking, never grow old, never stop wearing leather.
Posted by Laurie on November 09, 1998 at 07:54:32:
In Reply to: Take my advice and - posted by Kat Winter on November 06, 1998 at 10:59:56:
If not an album, how about an unofficial piano/vocal for the fans? Please? :)
Posted by Maria on November 06, 1998 at 09:41:27:
I didn't mean that Jim should just start churning out the songs, one a week, just to have hits! I only meant that maybe his ultra-extreme perfectionism is keeping him from releasing songs even when they really are ready. He just seems overprotective and a perfectionist like that and I was just being selfish and expressing my big want of more Jim Steinman songs.
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 02:12:49:
In Reply to: What I meant about quantity posted by Maria on November 06, 1998 at 09:41:27:
But don't we all want more, really? Too much is never enough!
Posted by Joerg Bindschus on November 06, 1998 at 01:14:42:
In my opinion the best results were when you arranged the trilogy
of Bat I, BFG and Dead Ringer. Then this style reappeared at PanBox
and several Bonnie Tyler records. These arrangements are to stay in the
head as the classic and true Steinman.
When you began working with drum computers and synthies
you removed personality from the songs.
Sure, it´s cheaper to emulate an orchestra with a synthie, but I think the sales
figures make clear that you can afford the real thing.
Please return to your piano-guitar driven style with a
melodic bass and a real orchestra.
Your songs are too great to be arranged with a computer.
All the best
Joerg
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 03:01:39:
In Reply to: Get back to your classic style. posted by Joerg Bindschus on November 06, 1998 at 01:14:42:
I gotta agree here! Jim, there is just nothing like hearing your music performed by a massive orchestra! (Preferrably with you singing!)I grew up on those first three albums and nothing I've heard since is quite like it. I know a lot of it may be to do with Rundgren, but your Fire Inc and some Bonnie work has proved that what I've always loved is the Steinman in it!
Don't abandon that great quality just for cheapness or efficiency or money...synthesizers and drum machines can only sterilise your beautiful music!
Posted by Ravnen on November 06, 1998 at 00:33:42:
Cher.
Seriously. When are we gonna get that Cher record written
and produced by Steinman? Who else? And why not Cher as
Countess Krolock? C'mon, she's already got the desire to dress
like a killer bat, why not give her the fangs and the part?
I know I'd go see it!!!
While we're at it, why not a REAL duet of A Kiss is a Terrible
Thing to Waste? And why not write a duet meant for Bonnie and Meat?
C'mon, what two people would be better together than Bonnie and Meat?
*okay, I grant you, Cher and Meat!!*
Y'know, Bat III is still a possibility, so why not? A couple
duets along the lines of I'd Do Anything For Love and Objects In the
Rearview Mirror? Or how about just Totale Finsternis, in english and
in Cher's hands?????
Ravnen....
Posted by Paul Magee on November 06, 1998 at 12:17:18:
In Reply to: Got Just One Word.... posted by Ravnen on November 06, 1998 at 00:33:42:
Woo, Cher would be great, but how about Axl Rose?
Now that would rock!
And while your at it Jim could you please bring the English version of Dance of the vampires to London ASAP ? Ticketmaster are begining to think I have a standing order for Whistle tickets and I need to see & hear this.
Keep up the excellent work Jim
Paul
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 03:09:17:
In Reply to: Re: Got Just One Word.... posted by Paul Magee on November 06, 1998 at 12:17:18:
If we're gonna talk ideal projects, how about "Fire Inc"?!? Where did they disappear to?!? "Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young" is a classic that has followed me through my entire life and inspired me in a way that no other song (except those sung by Jim himself) has ever done!!!
MORE FIRE INC!!!
Posted by Andy Hainline on November 05, 1998 at 19:41:17:
I recently visited BMG one night when I was bored and I found an absolute ton of songs I did not recognize along with your other stuff. How come we can't hear 'em? I am a composer too and I know what its like to let go of something you feel as though you've grown beyond. But let it out! It's bound to be good!
Also, Jim, I read once in an interview that you didn't like Pat Benatar? Why the hell not? She would seem to have the perfect voice! At least I think so. And I think -- as far as rockin' women go -- she KICKS BONNIE TYLERS ASS ANY DAY! But that's just my opinion as a fellow musician. You're allowed to have your own, like I am. I still LOVE your MUSIC TO DEATH!!!!!
I wrote a lot of music trying to "be like Jim" but it didn't work, it sucked. Now I write my own music, from inside of me alone. Ohhhh sure there's a lot of you in there. But there's Pat Benatar, Brian May, Billy Joel, and a lot of Springsteen in there too. And more than anything else there is me. I have all of your albums and listen to them constantly in the car (much to everyone's dismay sometimes!).
My favorite of all time is either "Bad For Good" or "Original Sin." Because those were you being you. And I respect that a lot, and more than any other reason that's why I admire you.
You are an inspiration Jim, and you're an idol of mine. Not a god or a saint or a hero. Just an idol, someone I respect and aspire to in some ways.
Take care of yourself, Jim. And let me hear those other damn songs, man!!!
One other piece of advice -- turn up the guitars, man! Make 'em louder! Just as loud as the piano, too! And a bit rougher, more like sharpened daggers than long swords.
Other than that, I think you're pretty awesome. Look me up sometime, we'll talk about music and such.
Rottsa Ruv, :-)
your songwriting acolyte Andy Hainline
Posted by Maria Lent on November 05, 1998 at 15:32:28:
Your songs are way too good to hold on to for years while you are getting it perfoect. Try to let more go even if you don't feel they are 100% perfect and right. Believe me, we won't notice the difference and we'll love to have more of your wonderful, super, great music in our life.
Love ya,
Maria
Posted by Xavier T on November 05, 1998 at 20:53:41:
In Reply to: Go for quantity! posted by Maria Lent on November 05, 1998 at 15:32:28:
Maria, I hate to disagree but JS's commitment to each song is what makes that song so spectacular. Anyone can pump out quantity - just look at the garbage Meatloaf did during the years away from Steinman. Heaps of tunes and all crap. Air Supply's another classic. The best song they ever did was "Making Love Out of Nothing At All" - Steinman tune. None of their other "commercial" songs came close, and now they're just a memory.
Please Jim, stay true to your commitment. The songs don't age anyway so time's irrelevant. It's worth the wait. That's why your fans are all fanatics and that's what they want to hear.
Posted by Edward J. DeRosa II on November 05, 1998 at 06:57:21:
Meat Loaf sings Steinman better than no one else,
blah, blah, blah...
Who's Steinman? He wrote those songs for Meat Loaf.
Is that really how you want to be known Jim? I know
it pains me each time I have to refer to you in the
breath as that lummox; almost as if he's your equal.
I Gasp at the thought!
Ditch Meat Loaf. You had some great years together,
but you can do SO Much better now. Fresh blood is
what you need, and honestly it seems to be what most
of the hard core fans want to hear.
Either way, thanks for the music!
Posted by Todd on November 06, 1998 at 15:16:42:
In Reply to: Ditch the Loaf posted by Edward J. DeRosa II on November 05, 1998 at 06:57:21:
Jim:
I love your songs but the bottom line is that Meat Loaf is THE man to sing them. I respect the right to the opinion posted, but totally disagree with it. I like all of the singers that you have chosen to record with, but Meat is simply the best!!!
Todd
Posted by Paul Magee on November 06, 1998 at 12:09:53:
In Reply to: Ditch the Loaf posted by Edward J. DeRosa II on November 05, 1998 at 06:57:21:
Take no notice Jim, one or two people's opinion against the millions who bought and love your songs sung by Meat.
I say give your work to the person YOU think will convey the passion and feeling that you have put into writing it.
Paul
Posted by Angie on November 06, 1998 at 02:32:21:
In Reply to: Ditch the Loaf posted by Edward J. DeRosa II on November 05, 1998 at 06:57:21:
That's an incredibly bitter and spiteful way of putting things, Ed. How about he just refuses to record with Meat because the guy can't sing anymore? :)
Angie
Posted by Ravnen on November 06, 1998 at 00:28:23:
In Reply to: Ditch the Loaf posted by Edward J. DeRosa II on November 05, 1998 at 06:57:21:
Never mind Ed, that Jim has said for twenty years that he
thought Meat Loaf was the perfect voice for him.
As for what most of the hardcore fans want, I eagerly
await the day when people realize that they can't speak
for the 'core' of anything, especially what a large and,
quite frankly, silent group of people seem to want. How
does one decide who is a 'hardcore' fan? Someone that has
pictures on their walls? Bootlegs of something? And the least
bit of understanding?
Or how about the person that just finds faith in love because
of a Steinman song?
So tell me then, what is a 'hardcore' fan, and how could one
person even dare to begin speaking for them all?
Posted by Edward James Xavier DeRosa II on November 08, 1998 at 23:11:57:
In Reply to: Re: Ditch the Loaf posted by Ravnen on November 06, 1998 at 00:28:23:
Raven,
I definitely did not say I spoke for all the hard-
core fans out there. Rather, I said most of. And
in my experience, Jim's biggest fans who don't
want Meat Loaf outweigh the ones that do. That
entitles me to say most of.
I concede that I did not poll every single one of
Jim's biggest fans, but I think I've talked to my
fair share.
As for what makes someone a 'hardcore fan,' never
once did I say that it was the person with a lot
of pictures up, or bootlegs.
But I do think that a hardcore fan does take the
time to learn as much about Steinman as possible.
I realize for some people, the most available to
them may be a radio. But let's be realistic here,
not everyone who appreciates Jim is going to be
a hardcore fan.
E. D.
Posted by King of Fools... on November 06, 1998 at 21:17:51:
In Reply to: Re: Ditch the Loaf posted by Ravnen on November 06, 1998 at 00:28:23:
The last two questions, dear friend Ravnen..
.
Well said.
Dream more,
G.Matthew
Posted by X Thompson on November 05, 1998 at 06:07:34:
Take my advice and bring out "Bad For Good" 2!!!!
Forget the others - no-one sings Steinman like Steinman.....
Posted by the Steingirl on November 05, 1998 at 00:54:40:
....marry me!!!! :)
Posted by Birgie on November 09, 1998 at 03:03:10:
In Reply to: Take my advice and.... posted by the Steingirl on November 05, 1998 at 00:54:40:
You took the words right out of my mouth! :)