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pidunk 03:25 am UTC 07/02/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Hello...hello....hello....(simulated echo sound) - Leesa 02:51 am UTC 07/02/07 |
I'm going to think about everything you say. I don't really like this all. What if, just looking back to the stream of information, you were nice to me in 2005 and I never had the impetus to find out who you were because of that, and I would never found Leesa Magoch Johnson? What would that mean to me right now? Finding Leesa Magoch Johnson was alot like finding a font of knowledge, because it gave to me insights of twists and turns that I never imagined her capable of before. I had an entirely different view of Thaya before then. Thaya was simple, bumbling, clumsy, cataclismically social, annoyingly intrusive, highly flamboyant, and erotically obsessed, talkative, judgemental, and above all, barely able to tie her shoelaces. To think of her as a creator of a cult, an organizer in intrigue, and then a shifter of identities, was like getting hit with a cold winter storm in the middle of August. I was shocked. The 20/20 hindsight was like a stabbing in the gut. Of course all the signs were there, all the statements, all the behaviors, and all the actions. Indeed, she did it all. And she told me only a particle of the story as it was being done. How was I to know? I just know that I didn't get sucked into her machinery, and that is all I really know about that. All the rest is what she has shown to me in the past and the present, which is abominable, horrid truth, built as the substance of lies. Thaya showed parts of herself and not the whole story, set me up at times and places where things happened to me to my detriment, and did it all by seeming to be this kind of an innocent person who couldn't get it together if she had to. She got it together, and that together, and the other thing together and was nothing of what her image seemed. That kind of experience puts a healthy level of skepticism when dealing with the ways I found out. And, Leesa, though indeed I see there are so many other Leesas in the world, you are the one who brought this path to me. It was because you felt the overkilling need to put me down and criticise me in a hostile way that had no deserving on my own part. Thaya when she wanted to had her ways of scathing downputting that would be rivalling anyone's language, and she had no problem hurting anything that got in her way. The kind of person I learned of her to be is not anyone I would have had a thing to do with, and it was a miscarriage of social justice that she was one of my closest friends in 1976 and for a period of time beyond that. I trusted her, and I trusted her blindly. Did my heart get broken? Did I have trouble trusting? Yes....and no......each....because I have a heart, had a heart, which was misused, and I had a trust, and that trust was misused, and now, when I see the flags up and flying, I have trouble trusting. If this all seems too hard for you to take, why not be nice to strangers? > The city council, who votes on appointments here, has > their own twice monthly meetings where such business takes > place. We don't have alot of direct contact with them > unless a situation arises or one of us has NOT been > reappointed! Our agenda doesn't include reappointment > items--that is found on the city council's agenda--and I > rarely attend those meetings! We worry about the need for > cat ordianaces, pet shows and whatnot. But you have a > valid query--but such are the politics of small town > government...oh, and me taking minutes of the commission's > meetings and not wondering about my reappointment is > called 'no news is not changed news' because it wasn't on > our agenda! > And no, Animal Control in and of itself is very different. > I was chair of the Bull Terrier Club's legislative > group--our focus was fair dog laws. As a concerned pet > owner with experience working with city councils who were > recodifying their laws, I got more involved with West > Branch's recodification process which involved a > tremendous amount of education. In 2002, our chief animal > control officer, the then police chief, shot a dog (in the > dog's fenced yard)which he thought to be the dog at large > in question. It wasn't and all hell broke loose over where > our 4 yr old dog laws went wrong. West Branch was under > scrutiny of the entire state, so our little group was > formed at the-then mayor's request. > Animal control per se is not something that I'm really > involved in to a meaningful degree--the education of > cities in regards to breed specific laws, especially as > they pertain to my breed is what I'm better versed in. > Other people do animal control, I don't I advise our > animal control here as a hobby. > I do apologise if I have misled you--you thought I was IN > /wanted to be IN animal control and was a PART-TIME Iowa > resident. Do you have any idea how many people in Iowa fit > that more specific bill? We have 2 other 'Leesa's in West > Branch alone! As soon as gallytrot/ter was mentioned, hey, > that's me. Sorry for confusion. > And as for the phone number, oh good god--319 is the area > code--that's an Iowa landline area code. You call, someone > picks it up---have a little faith--odds are it's eastern > Iowa. Again, why would someone like me put in the added > effort to hide my damned location? I mean after a while > you just have to trust...if I didn't want to be tracked, > I'd list my cell number! Call Liberty Telephone in West > Liberty, Iowa--I've had the same landline since 1984--why > would I reroute it? Believe me--if that number rings, it's > ringing in Iowa. > I again don't have a clue about a Dennis Radar--he was > involved with animal control in Kansas? I have most > contact with the Bull Terrier Club of America, the AKC > club affiliate--names in our club I can trace and > recognise. Our breed club hasn't had tremendous problems > with Kansas, say opposed to Ohio...but individual names in > different states/cities don't really matter with the > involvment I've had with this situation. I honestly have > no connection with Wichita--been there once driving > through on a family vacation about 40 years back---just a > coincidence. Again, why should I lie? > I'm glad you found the Yearbook--that was such fun. My > 'Elvis' was placed with Andy Hamen (a pretty famous > wrestler fron U of Iowa) and his family had such fun with > that puppy! They never showed him, but they did dress him > up and printed tons of stationary-type things with his > image. Palm Press bought that wonderful likeness and he > was such a marvellous breed ambassador. So yeah, I wanted > Jim to see MY life's proudest work--my 'Bad Moon', my > 'Bat'...and yeah, I did flirt shamelessly. I'll never stop > loving Jim...I'm glad you found that site--the Yearbook > was a labour of love. > As for my driver's license, I just rather not have that on > the internet. If I'm so clever as to be rerouting landline > phone numbers and whatnot, I could forge photos on a > supposed license posted online. I don't want some numbers > out there--actually, who cares how I look? What added > proof is that? I think there might still be an old photo > on the West Branch Government site--or e-mail any > prominent sounding person on the BTCA's site and ask > who/what I look like! I do still look much as I did on the > Yearbook photo. > But I did give you about as much proof as to who I am/not > as I can. I've been honest and positive. I deny nothing > that is true and have elaborated willingly as I have > nothing to hide. I only get my back up when you accuse me > of something I know nothing about. > Don't know what else to do... > Leesa > > > > > > > Hey they updated it! I knew I was up for reappointment 2 > > > months back, but I'm always the last to know--gotta learn > > > it from the Rockman!! > > > > That's quite a shame that they didn't tell you in the May > > 8th Meeting. Not only that, but it wasn't even published > > on the June 12th Agenda. But really, do you actually have > > so large and formal a burearacy that you can't know these > > things? You've been on this commission already, and should > > know that amongst the coffee klatch of you, you would have > > continuity. And I find this far from your statement as not > > ever wanting or having been in Animal Control, to the > > point of a direct and known contradiction. > > > > > > >And that's my phone as well--if the > > > kids are off the line people can even call me and hear how > > > boring I am in person! > > > > Phone numbers don't mean anything. I have an Ohio phone > > number, and when I was in New York for a year I had three > > phone lines set up for me and Cypherd, where he could call > > me locally from Los Angeles, and I could call him locally > > from New York. Phone numbers, there are such a thing as > > service numbers, remote call forwarding, standard call > > forwarding, switching stations re-routing, and all of > > that. Just because someone can call you in Iowa, doesn't > > mean you are in Iowa. > > > > > > > > >They keep me on because no one else > > > wants to take minute notes at the monthly meetings! > > > > So while you are busy taking minute notes once per month > > you don't know you are on the Commission? Hmmm.....what > > does someone call that? > > > > > > >The > > > city website should also have us archieved. > > > But no, not to split hairs or contribute to confusion, > > > we're a community ADVISORY commission and none of us are > > > employed in nor do we participate full time an animal > > > control capacity. > > > > Well that's pretty standard for a small town commission, > > but it isn't the ceramics club. > > > > > > > This became a hobby of mine born out of > > > my involvement with the Bull Terrier Club of America which > > > was actively involved in combatting breed specific > > > legislation in the mid 90's. I know an awful lot of > > > people in animal control in Iowa and we come from pretty > > > different places. I do rescue for the national club--I'm > > > pretty specialised! I'm also involved in wildlife > > > rehabilitation. > > > > One of those places Wichita? Did you know Dennis Rader? > > > > Thaya was three people removed from connection with Dennis > > Rader, one person the man who she was very close friends > > with named Jon, the second person Jon's friend Brian, and > > Dennis Rader is Brian's younger but otherly named brother. > > > > > > Between Wichita and West Branch is a bit over 500 miles > > and it is less than an eight hour drive. > > > > The significance of Rader is multi-fold, not just his > > infamy now, but his brothers' penchant for trouble, > > starting in my experiences with Brian when I was > > introduced to him in 1979. It was a horrid deal knowing > > him, and Jon insisted he should join the committee for the > > science fiction convention that I had founded, but Jon > > placed him there without any particular job, calling it > > "logistics". What those logistics turned out to be was > > direct sabatoge of my involvement with my own convention. > > During this time Brian told me of his two brothers in > > almost the same conversation, or at least same location, > > at one or two of the meetings, held at his own home in > > upper Manhattan. He said of his two younger brothers > > different things. The first he described was David > > Westerfield, who became infamous in 2002, and the second > > he described was Dennis Rader who became infamous in 2005. > > Brian said he wants to cause the world as much trouble as > > he can. Sick man. I could only suspect but believe I have > > traced their lineage and other members of their family. > > One of them seemed to marry into the family of one of the > > men connected with starting up the assignment for making > > the RH cult. It all is like a bad map, instead of all > > roads leading to Rome, these lead to hostile and > > imperialistic members of my family, through their own > > associations. I would never choose to meet or know such > > people. > > > > Dennis Rader was in Animal Control in Wichita. You say > > that you met others in part of your National interests in > > Animal Control. > > > > > > > One place you may not have stumbled on that alot of on the > > > Rockman who were here in 2000 are listed and detailed on > > > (at least where we were 7 years back)is the Jim Steinman > > > Pacifica Yearbook that an very cool Australian fan put > > > together. > > > > I saw that card. Very cute where you flirted with Jim to > > the effect that you can't have him, etcetera. I found it > > interesting that the first time I met Thaya, she flirted > > with the boyfriend I was with, when I was with him, and > > then told me I was being possessive. She had that way > > about her, flirting the same as saying hello. > > > > > > > > >Do a google and it should pop up. My photo's > > > there along with Elvis, one of my favourite dogs > > > ('Gallytrot's Guy at Graceland') out of my last litter > > > from '93. It's still floating about and JD should link it > > > if she hasn't already. > > > > Whatever photo you have there I will look for it again, > > but at the present time I'm most inclined to accept the > > photo that is on your drivers license with proof that it > > is on your drivers license. > > > > > > > > > Gotta go chase the horses now... > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >nor was I ever/wanted to be in Animal Control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesa, > > > > > > > > Here is something of a kind of problem that I run into. > > > > West Branch, Iowa shows Leesa Johnson on the Animal > > > > Control Commission with a term to expire in 2009. See > > > > photo of site: > > > > > > > > | |
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