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pidunk 11:36 pm UTC 07/05/07 |
| In reply to: | The Involvement of Synanon - pidunk 10:23 pm UTC 07/05/07 |
Dederich's Death, Article In probably one of the ugliest pictures taken of him in his life, he is shown here in the way that some people remember him, but Charles Dederich who founded and ran Synanon was without question a driving force in Thaya's and her family's, those immediate and extended, lives. One could also bring to orientation how that influence plays on the formation of the Rocky Horror Cult. I can't help but wonder what Thaya's family's lives would have been like in, say, Pennsylvania, or if they had a more ordinary life in California. But if what she told me was true, and who knows what is true, she and her family were able to leave Synanon in 1975/1976, which they said that they did. However, they were given their house in Santa Monica, which may still have belonged to Synanon. I met Thaya a few months after she said she had left Synanon, and her family was said to trail outwards from there after her departure, but all this is what was the most easy for her to tell. What Thaya has said as truth, versus what Thaya has said untrue, are things for sorting. The Liver Doctor idea, as she told me of it seemed like a good idea with the exception of the "Doctor" part. Why does she have to call herself "doctor" I asked, and she said, "People believe it if it comes from a doctor." Thaya had the ideas, and the insights, and is by no means an unintelligent person, but her directions were not those that I would choose either for myself or for her. Why people just don't want to listen to me I simply don't understand The Rocky Horror Cult is one that got out of hand from a fan club, from a successful venture to involve fans, which is what Thaya thought she was achieving. I've never seen Thaya be anything but pushy through her enthusiasm, and was not demanding as such. I don't think she could control an RC car. > > The articles about Synanon, and some history about > Synanon, can be found on the web to be either too > simplistic or too harsh, but somewhere in the middle is > the truth of that institution which raised Thaya, her two > siblings, and which her parents lived in throughout the > childrens' forming lives. John Magoch was recruited in the > 1950's to help populate a new community in California > (this I have documented beyond Thaya's past descriptions) > from his place being unemployed in Pennsylvania as a metal > miller; Pennsylvania was a thriving steel area at one > point.) which was Synanon. He was promised an easy life, > with all things required given to him, for his full time > membership and residency. Thus he went, and the leader > changed his name to Kibbee, and said Thaya, because he had > heard of the actor Guy Kibbee. Thus The Kibbees sprang up > in Synanon. There they were schooled, and there they knew > the world, and the world came to them. A long time > association between Synanon and the movie business ensued > and Thaya talked of helping to care for the bird in Robert > Blake's show, that Cockatoo. Thaya also was brought in to > work in the Monkees' Fan Club to write and to recruit > other members, when there seemed to be a waning of > interest. She did much work in the Monkees' Fan Club, > brought alot of girls to it, and so she was then given the > actual assignment to bring people into the Fan Club, which > she would get started, for Rocky Horror. What the Monkees > and Rocky Horror's first Fan Club seeds had in common was > a man called Don Kirschner. > > Don Kirschner, it was said by Thaya, was like an uncle to > her, a very close friend of her father's. She said she > always wanted to make them happy. > > Wikipedia, > Wikipedia > > > > > > > > > Now here is another continuation of the story, as you > > > asked for it. By way of introduction, there are the two > > > fictional characterizations, one of a man who plays in > > > contemporary creativity by being someone whose name was > > > not his when he was born, and is called Sal Piro, and one > > > of a woman pictured with her husband in the royal regalia > > > as the Baron and Baroness of Arn Hold in their SCA > > > universe, her being called Baroness Rachel Ravenlock. This > > > is Thaya Kibbee, and her husband is something Schaeffer, > > > his first name escapes me for the moment whom I have never > > > met, so she is Thaya Schaeffer with him in actual life, in > > > Boise, Idaho. Their coat of arms has been taken off of the > > > SCA website for some reason, and they state that they are > > > in the process of overhauling their site, but kept their > > > site intact. So here is a brother and sister, this Sal > > > Piro, and Thaya Kibbee Schaeffer, who together are the > > > power of and the creative force of the entire worldwide > > > Rocky Horror Cult. She started this thing under my very > > > nose in 1976. And in 1976, it was a whole other person who > > > she introduced me to as Sal Piro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing is that although they should have, nobody in the > > RH cult ever heard of a Thaya, those who didn't, and those > > who did, don't admit to it. They don't know who Thaya is, > > or a Kibbee, and they have no idea that Sal Piro is > > actually her brother Luke Kibbee, who by the way appears > > to have his home in the vicinity of Microsoft's company, > > as Luke Kibbee. The identity of Piro resides in and > > operates from New York. Is there a trotting element to > > this back and forth? One could say so. The original Piro, > > if there was ever such a real one, is from Bay Ridge, > > Brooklyn, and made himself to look like the character Riff > > Raff, in the theatre when I met him. Although he was new > > he already had ideas for the fan club and grilled me about > > who the writer was. Maybe I'm delayed by thirty years > > answering the question, but he didn't want to wait that > > long. He did not want to wait for the author's own chosen > > time. He wanted a Richard O'Brien, and he wanted a Richard > > O'Brien then. He asked me how could he have a fan club if > > there was no writer visible? I said he could have a fan > > club for the movie and the writer would come when he sees > > it and decides to show himself. He sat with Thaya, not me > > during his first show. At the end she asked me to be the > > first member of the fan club, and I declined because I > > wanted first to see what he was going to do with it. > > > > I met Thaya's brother Luke in the summertime of 1982 and > > spent a day alone with him. He did not mention RH to me at > > all. > > > > > > > > | |
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