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> > > > > > Lord Somebody, or someone, mentioned sometime back that he > > was fine with your posts except that they were TOO DAMNED > > LONG--you lose some of us computer-impaired types. I do my > > best to make line by line replies,go to post, and find my > > imput completely deleted and only the original reprinted. > > We've been apparently preserving the thread, which makes > it long, and I do write alot. I write alot because if I > wrote a little bit it would say something other than what > I mean to say. I'm cursed or blessed with the ability of > precise meaning but only, as this caveat goes, if I use > the words it takes to convey it. Maybe I care about it too > much. > > > > > I hate to request a 'dumb it down', but understand that > > some of our systems are evil and we can't even post natty > > avatars like you have! > > My natty avatar is a product of photo editing which I am > happy to say I've been learning the skills of. I quite > enjoy it. I told my Jim back when I was taking those > courses in New York that I really liked working with > graphics. I took the childhood photo I managed to save for > forty three years and edited out Jim's face and put it on > the lower left side, added to it the face of the photo > from 1969 found on this site, along with the Cleveland > International photo sample found elsewhere, added a touch > of color, the word "Prologue' and voila. The childhood > photo was taken when Jim Cypherd was eleven years of age. > > > > > It does make it more difficult to get our respective > > points across. > > My length makes it hard for people to get rhetoric and > hyperbole across. I do believe that actual communication > is aided, however even if it does take a little bit of > patience. > > > > > > As for Thaya posing as Sandra Cabot; I guess who knows? > > They put together a kick-ass cleansing diet that I > > shamelessly recommend because the puppy works. > > I never doubted that it would work, as Thaya said she was > sure of it and it sounded plausible enough for me when I > didn't know anything. But the idea of singling out and > cleansing the liver is as rudimentary as singling out and > cleansing the colon which was the first "health craze" > regimen of history. I personally have found much value in > the nutritional care of a person's body, and what helps > the liver is undoubtedly also going to help other body > areas as well. The coincidences as you say that they are, > however, are adding up like a lost savings account. > > > > > >End of the > > story. You asked why I had to go on a diet--for health > > reasons! I felt run down and this helped me. Nothing to do > > with weight. > > Okay, now for a reality check here--the proverbial 'dog > > lady in Iowa' is indeed me--stop and think here. > > Are you really sure that you want me to think? Think of > what you are asking! :) > > >If Thaya > > or whoever wanted to cop my identity, does it stand to > > reason that she would have done it back in 1999 (when I > > first got on) and continued into 2000, when the Yearbo0ok > > took place? > > Yes, yes, a thousand times Yes! Who knows if the ink on > the Trust Deed was even dry by the time it came to her > head. Let's say that the idea of Leesa was more important > than the idea of Johnson, with an option on the Magoch for > the one in Arizona. Thaya hated her name, and tried to > make it something else. She tried to convince me that it > was the same as our friend Sharon's, whose birth name was > Theodora, so she said, that was her name too, to mske it > more like something she liked. But she isn't Theodora, she > is Thaya. I don't know wherefrom this Johnson thing came > in, if it is the surname, but if you were married in 1984, > this option was open to her if she had some point of > favoritism towards you in some manner. How could I know > something she didn't talk to me about? My contact with > Thaya was relatively steady on the phone until 1982, at > which time I moved to California, asked her for the return > of my cat Max, and everyone in her family said I could > have him back with their blessings, except she said no, > saying it was her sister who didn't want to let go of him. > So, Thaya kept my cat, and I dropped Thaya for her manner, > not just saying she had an attachment to him but putting > warring phrases on her demand that he stay with her > family. Then I ran into Thaya near my home a year and a > half later and she told me a story that had definite > fabrication about it, about his supposed death. So if she > did something in 1984, I have no idea what, or why, or > how. Same goes for every subsequent part of her life. In > 1983 I called her and asked her to make a gown for me for > a social dance, and she sewed it, and I didn't see her > again. Thaya surprised me then because she had labels prepared for her sewing works, and has been sewing for others for quite some time, so her label said something like "Fashion by Thaya" instead of sewn by Thaya and I didn't get back in touch with her with the photo she asked me for, which she wanted, she said for her portfolio. I did intend to and had a photo taken of me in the gown, but as time and awkwardness met logistics, I kept hold of it. Dr. Sandra Cabot being an Australian endeavor, does give some suggestive element to this finding, though the store was founded by a couple in 1965, no actual attribution of their current management is shown. But there are stores like this:  So, don't worry if you want to say you don't sew. At that time she was living in an apartment that > belonged to her sister in Venice, an address which her > sister still has. Her sister is the one I called in 1995 > to find her again and I was given the phone number in > Idaho. Thaya spoke to me for two hours enthusiastically > talking about herself and then cut me short when it was > time for me to talk about myself, and I was seeing Jim > Cypherd at that time, so I wanted to talk about him, but > she said I should call back the next day. When I called > back the next day, what she said to me was, she didn't > know me. She knew me a long time ago but didn't know me, > does not know what to say to me, and goodbye. And by the > way, she added that the only reason for someone to date is > if they are going to marry the person, and did I want to > marry Jim? At that time I could not have said anything of > the likes of him that I do now because I was ignorant of > it. I was seeing him daily then, like anyone sees anyone. > > > These were two hours of cellphone minutes used, listening > to her tell me about how much she loves her husband and > loves her life, and my life had no meaning to her at all > as any human life would. I was a memory, and I was someone > she didn't know anymore, once her flurry of excitement > left her. What did that mean, that she was up to that she > didn't want to expose to me? One of these things would > have to do with the other activities I have been finding > this week. If I can pretend to know Thaya, I could only > pretend as much as her statement, and if I can study > Thaya, I could study it by what I find. One of those > things I find has to do with you. Do I think that the > photo in 2000 is the same person as in the photo on the > West Branch city website archive? No. Why not? Because the > one in the field is a professionally posed and prepared > photo with cosmetics and positioning, with a distance and > angle from the lense which only allows the faintest of > detail to show, and those details are more consistent with > those shown of Thaya through the eras, than of the one of > the Leesa in West Branch, albeit with cosmetics as is > routine to wear. One's official photo, versus one's field > photo, is a different kind of preparation. In the field, > one does not work and be so well groomed, so well posed, > so well poised. This was a promo photo, a photo shoot, not > candid. > > > > >How long and for what reason would someone cop > > this identity? > > Asking me to guess a motivation that I am not privy to > knowing. Speculation could get me someplace, but not > beyond speculation without supports coming from elsewhere. > I see stuff like this all of the time. My world has a > different shape than most peoples' and I see stuff like > this so that I am able to recognize it. Did you know that > the guy who was in Black Oak Arkansas as the lead singer > with the raunchy look and the sandpaper voice, actually > has a smooth speaking voice and actually knows quality > music? And did not grow up as the guy who he is supposed > to be? He is someone else. But he is not here (not that I > know of....yooo hooo, John?). So who is the guy who was > supposedly the lead singer of Black Oak Arkansas, and why > is it that he wasn't, and why is it that someone else was? > I don't know these things. I don't know these things at > all and without learning the sense of it, it makes no > sense to me. But sometimes people don't want to be known. > I know someone else who has a dozen or more of identities > and where she gets them or how she maintains them I > haven't got a clue. Sometimes people make arrangements to > borrow an identity, like Jim Cypherd and Anton Fig, or Jim > Steinman and Jim Cypherd, and I don't have all of the > answers. But I know that the modern world is filled with > other cases, many other cases, of people who do such > identity shifts, lifts, borrows, thefts, and inventions. > They just do. It isn't just about someone's credit rating. > > > John's Black Oak Arkansas experience continues to follow > him even as this took place in the early 1970's. Jim's > shifting with Steinman began in 1964 perhaps with the > application to Amherst. In the nineteen seventies, he and > Fig began looking at their similarities to one another. > Maybe some people did it to make a point, or to > demonstrate and feel their ultimate American Independence, > that promises that in a free country one can do what one > wants to do. But maybe someone else has reasons why they > need to be someone larger or different than they are. > > Time meant nothin', never would again > > > > > >I mean, we're splitting hairs and we have > > to look at motivation--if this Thaya has a history with > > you and you meet up on a fanboard somewhere after who > > knows how long and she still has malicious intent towards > > you, > > Misguided, misapplied, but not malicious. Thaya has other > priorities in her life than to worry about what happens to > little old me, or what the consequences are to Jim, but > there are elements in her behaviors and social > proclivities which have taken a less than auspicious road. > If she is malicious, it is not something that I am > believing at this time. I believe that as much as she has > the capacity to do so she loves me, and it is a sad > tragedy of fates that put us on these opposite sides of a > situation. > > > >in my mind the first inclination would be to trot out > > all of the insider knowledge that would hurt you that only > > she would have in the name of discrediting you on the > > Rockman. > > Being as she was my best friend for awhile, in tandem with > my other best friend, she knows alot that I knew, and > being as she was involved in these elements, she knows > alot that I didn't know. She had more knowledge about me > than I had of myself, as was typical of most of my friends > for a long time. You could say that I was the last to know > alot of things. > > > > >I don't know anything about you as I only met you > > in 2005 and thought you were full of shit. If I was > > 'Thaya' and wanted to hurt you, I'd have ripped you to > > shreds over 'my' versions of mutual events. > > She had her versions of mutual events when they were > happening. Anything she could say now of those old times > when I was twenty, are overshadowed by the fact that she > was relying on me and Sharon both fully and was helpless > by herself once she was not on the property of the Waverly > Theatre. She developed a great deal of self-sufficiency > once she began to find her stability, restored to her > family after leaving New York. There were no other shared > events that didn't happen by phone or by mail until I was > twenty six, at which time our relationship was severed. > Thaya never thought I was full of shit. But she did both > compliment me and put me down exactly the way you do. > > > >The very fact > > that those are missing really is your proof. I mean, I can > > tell you all about the traceable me and it's no different > > result than someone scoping out my identity on the net and > > saying that they were me--for how long---since 1999? > > Tracing isn't the thing. People think they can pretend to > be someone who can be traced, while they are looking for > someone else. It's, as Willy Wonka calls improvisation, "a > Parlor Trick. Anyone can do it." Sorry to have to quote a > fictional character, but Thaya quotes G.I. Joe. > > > >I > > copped someone's identity for display on the Rockman back > > in '99, long before you appeared here? > > Oh, now we are talking about a time of some crucial > element. In 1999 I was stalked, surrounded, nearly killed > by a direct action, and early 2000, months before the > birthday card, my own internet was cut off by a computer > hacker who disabled the communications of my modem. So, I > wasn't around for the introduction of your presence to the > bulletin board, and I was not given the opportunity to > surf the web to find it. So, yeah, I was a little late > getting here, you might say. > Better than late altogether. > > > > >It's silly. You > > have to look at the execution and point--who the hell with > > my specialed interests would be hanging around the Rockman > > with consistant, traceable info for 9 years? > > Your specialized interests do not seem elsewhere to > reflect those interests. I'm still looking into that, if > you insist. With those interests, why is the RR so > prevalently more visible? > > > >Any 'proof' I > > present is something already available. I can mail you > > privately the next Animal Control Minutes before I submit > > them to the City if you like--you'll know then that the > > 'dog lady' in WB is the one sending them--you know, > > whatever. > > No, I don't think that would be appropriate. What about a > wedding picture of you and your husband? > > > >Happy to do it--we meet next Tuesday and I > > should have minutes put together by the weekend. > > I would of course love to know what the West Branch Animal > Control Advisory Commission is up to, but that is not > needed. Don't rush it on my account. > > > As for photos, that's me in the 'milkweed' field about 7 > > yrs back--not sure when the City photo Tom Gartland (which > > is NOT public record!) was snapped. > > I'd love to give this point to you but it is not a real > commodity to know who snaps a photo. > > > I mean if Thaya was posting here, does it not stand to > > reason that she'd go after you more directly and > > maliciously than I? > > > No, no, a thousand times NO!! > She and I did not have a warring relationship. She didn't > "go after me". She has interests at the present time, I > suppose, of preserving the structures that she has built, > and protective of these structures she would be more > combative against my credibility than anything else. Like > you are doing. > > > > >And use such benign, obvious lines to > > be traced? > > Breadcrumbs will be breadcrumbs, especially if they are > not from the most obvious of loaves. > > > > As for my interests, Jim's site has always been one that I > > cared about. I also regularly check Brian May's > > Soapbox--been in love with him since 1974... > > And your point being? Jim and Brian go a long way back as > well. "Let Us Cling Together" is a tearjerker that pulls > my heart right out, even when it is working properly. > Thaya had a relationship briefly with Sharon's longtime > boyfriend Hal before he and Sharon hooked up, and Hal, > along with my then ex-boyfriend coincidentally called > Richard, were a really huge fans of Queen. Richard and > Hal, who I knew before either Thaya or Sharon knew, > introduced me to their music. The three of us, Hal, Sharon > and I, after Thaya had been gone from New York for a year, > went to see Queen together at Madison Square Garden. But > Queen tiks were so much in demand that they had a mail-in > lottery for the rarities. Only two tiks per entry, and I > mailed mine in separately from theirs. Separate envelopes, > separate mailboxes, from separate parts of Brooklyn, New > York. We both got tickets to the show. That was amazing. > But we got them, TOGETHER! I can only imagine now how that > could have happened. > > I took Sharon's copy of "A Night At The Opera" and never > returned it because I could not let it go. The hold it had > on me spooked me, but I respected that too. It was this > lyric (a portion): >
> > > > > There are things on the net I flit about on. But I mainly > > lurk. Ian Hunter is marvellous--love his blog and mailed > > JD alot to try and get Jim to do a similar format--the > > blog was it. > > You lurked, and decided that you had to swoop in and post > so venomously without asking questions, without wondering > for a minute if there was anything, anything at all to > what I was saying, not giving a chance at all. And, you > like the others, managed to avoid replying to the posts > which were really mine, and derided the ones which > weren't. That was, once the whole nest was set. > > > > > > > If a 'Leesa' with a history was already on the Rockman, > > why would someone try to cop her identity? Wouldn't there > > be a chance she'd return? > > I'm on your website? Why? > > > I am contending that the Leesa is on this site because it > isn't Thaya on this site. And that if it had to be Thaya > on this site, Thaya would have been more prudent and have > avoided this site, because it is Jim Cypherd, who the > Rocky Horror cult had hurt the most. > > Why is Leesa trying to influence formats, when that is > Thaya's characteristic? She had comments for everyone on > the line of the first Rocky Horror fan cast, telling them > who should wear what accessory, who should be what > character, what kinds of stockings should someone wear, > what better kind of wig should someone wear, and on and > on, week after week, show after show. She pulled people > out of their seats to dance, she was a self-appointed > director of all those activities. When she was done, she > didn't even come to the theater to say goodbye to anyone. > She left it to me to tell people for her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is all very hard for me. There is a unique difference > > > between finding one person same as another person when >you > > > have the person telling you that it could and would be > > > found, or when someone is silent as to whom is whom, and > > > here we have a little bit of both. First off, I recall > > > that Thaya devised a scheme back when she left her weight > > > loss program that comprised herself holding herself out as > > > a doctor, and so this Sandra Cabot, along with looking > > > like Thaya, seems consistently in tenet and name to be > > > that which she schemed, which leads me to think that the > > > resemblance is more than resemblance. I argued with her > > > > to be > > > the Leesa who is posting on the board. What I see is that > > > there is a woman who is very much loving of her town who > > > takes care of the Animal Control issues as a concerned > > > citizen as well as pet owner, and has a penchant towards > > > the interests of Bull Terriers. She doesn't do a whole lot > > > else. She may or may not know the person who is posting > > > as Leesa, and so she may or may not have knowledge of the > > > Rockman Record. Or, she may have moved elsewhere and Leesa > > > here has taken over the house and duties for image sake, > > > or anything in between. The point is, that the item that > > > is most identifiable to the West Branch Iowa's City > > > website image of Leesa Johnson, is the only of he images I > > > have found here, which does not resemble Thaya. And so, > > > gallytrotter is both her email, and this Leesa's, who is > > > using it as well, it seems. The photo of the field posing > > > Leesa Johnson shown in the Yearbook of 2000, appears more > > > resembling of the 1978 Leesa Magoch Johnson in different > > > clothes and pose, with what I notice are more round jaw > > > lines, and a longer face, than the West Branch Iowa's > > > Leesa Johnson. > > > > > > That is the most realistic assessment I could make based > > > on the appearances, the logic (where does a lady in Iowa > > > come off picking one music fan website forum to go to, and > > > not any of the others that would suit her interests more > > > closely? Why would she have such an inordinate attitude, > > > being so far removed from the hustle and bustle of big > > > city life? And why is she so detached, pretending that her > > > small town is anomaly to other small towns? Where she > > > claims that she does not even return a Mayor's voicemail? > > > And why are her concerns of importance portrayed with such > > > lack of importance to her?)the personality, the manners of > > > expression, and the interests. There is one image on the > > > montage that is not Thaya. And that is the dog lady in > > > Iowa. > > > > > > I'm not perfect and if I'm incorrect I'll make an > > > amendment with further evidence. But this is where it > > > stands at this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really think you should figure out how to superimpose > > > > your replies to the post,all you have to do is to put the > > > > cursor at the spot where the previous text is, and use the > > > > "enter" key to make a space, where then you would type. > > > > Finish that portion, then scroll down, and reply to the > > > > next point. If you can accomplish convincing me that you > > > > are not Thaya, good. I suppose that if it weren't for the > > > > internet, for all its wonders, it would be easy, and > > > > confusion is an evil of it. All I know is that you > > > > continually supply me with reasons to think like the first > > > > conclusion is the best conclusion, and it would pain me to > > > > be wrong, because I understand how important one's > > > > individuality is to one who is an individual. > > > > > > > > It is not anymore about how mean you used to be, but you > > > > have to understand that on the scale of one to ten, with > > > > Daveake being at an eight, you earned a rating of ten. You > > > > said I was dangerous. You compared me to a murderer. You > > > > declared me a threat to others. You slandered me right, > > > > left, sideways and every other way, and the worst Dave > > > > ever did was block me from his servers and be childishly > > > > snide. Ryan/Rockfenris2005 was a contender for my sanity > > > > on another different plane than Dave, because he was > > > > saying that I did things and said things that I simply did > > > > not, claiming this and that wild thing, which I disproved > > > > handily. He has since apologized to me, but Ryan, being > > > > Ryan, one never really knows what that would lead to. > > > > Jack/Gibson et all who is the Rhode Island contingent not > > > > being Justin, gave me another series of hoops to jump > > > > through, when he pretended to be John Q. Public "Murray" > > > > Kennedy, and presented me with a string of wild stories > > > > and claims that just didn't add up. But what storytellers > > > > have in common is that they are practiced in telling > > > > stories. They don't bother to think of the credibility of > > > > them, they will just make it sound good for the purpose at > > > > hand. These people, Ryan, Gibson, they each have their > > > > stories about me to weave, which have no form of > > > > provocation from myself, and yet give me some challenge > > > > that I either exist and use the logic, or get beaten at a > > > > game I didn't particularly join. Justin was an early > > > > troubled soul in 2005, who felt the need to run away from > > > > me the likes of purpose I still don't understand. But he > > > > told no tales, just really had problems with me being > > > > here. Going to his forum on the other place meant I'd be > > > > foolish thinking that he would not automatically delete my > > > > posts, as I know when I'm definitely being singled out. > > > > Here are four people, who for reasons not known by me if I > > > > never came here had a predisposition to the kind of hatred > > > > that was contained in your posts. You say you are sorry > > > > because I got you into a corner, or you say you are sorry > > > > because there is hope I might remove you from my website. > > > > But you don't really feel that way, do you? I'm putting > > > > you through paces that would not exist if all of these > > > > circumstances had not taken place before this. And you > > > > still seem like Thaya to me. Thaya by the way, is not > > > > ordinarily common. If you remind me of her it is because > > > > you are being unique in similar ways. So, the question > > > > exists, and I'm not shutting the door, but they exist > > > > anyway whether you think I am nuts or not. > > > > > > > > I made one of my not-so-great-looking montages, based on > > > > two photos of you that I found, the ones you mentioned and > > > > told me to find. I added it to the regalia photo of Thaya > > > > sans her husband this time, and to two photos provided by > > > > Leesa Magoch Johnson. In addition, one photo of the Dr. > > > > Sandra Cabot, to show the resemblance between her and > > > > Thaya, not necessarily the same person although not to > > > > rule that out, but enough of a resemblance to be > > > > concsiously connected by kinship. So, if you are not > > > > Thaya, are you showing connections and ties to her? And > > > > what sort of ties? > > > > > > > > See the montage, look at what I see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Susan, you are becoming a far more guilty pleasure than > > > > > you should...you actually ARE very much like some people > > > > > who were/are close friends of mine. You fascinate me and > > > > > it pisses me off that you seem so damned nuts yet have so > > > > > much to offer. I hate myself for being a bitch to you > > > > > because I really like you ('I really really LIKE you!'). > > > > > You're a really interesting person who definately should > > > > > write and look at getting published(!)--I mean even rock > > > > > fiction would sell millions--you strike a cord and I > > > > > daresay you could make a fortune at that--I love the way > > > > > you write--dramatic and lyrical--and compelling. You're > > > > > wasted fighting here--even your ambitious website--god, > > > > > regroup and market some prose. You're damned good. I'm a > > > > > bitch and I don't praise lightly but you really have more > > > > > talent than most than I've, for one, have ever seen here. > > > > > Challenging posters here is a waste of time--uphill > > > > > battle. Choose a more productive one. Because you're good > > > > > and why take this shit? Just a gut observation and I do > > > > > have a good gut. > > > > > I do wish I could post as I did with past formats as you > > > > > can--I can't break reply posts down line for line for > > > > > without this format deleting all I've written upon posting > > > > > and I'm time-challenged. But I do want to respond to your > > > > > post. > > > > > First off, I hope the weather's cooled for you because hot > > > > > weather sucks my brain as well. > > > > > Hon, West Branch is NOT 'every small Iowa town' because > > > > > we're a bedroom suburb of Iowa City--most everyone works > > > > > there or somewhere else off of I-80. We're Herbert > > > > > Hoover's birthplace and the Feds own the large park(the > > > > > parcel of prominent land they bought in the 60's) which > > > > > was created like 35 years ago by remapping the town, > > > > > rerouting roads, and pissing off the 'long timers' who > > > > > watched buildings/houses bought up, moved and planted > > > > > where they never were when 'Herbert' was here. > > > > > We just have a real detatch that's closer to bigger towns. > > > > > I've not been to the one grocery here for 2 months; I > > > > > don't coffee klatch--if it involves me or my commission, I > > > > > get a phone call or e-mail from the city letting me know. > > > > > Nothing is assumed-except apathy. I know some people, but > > > > > not at all like you're assuming of the average small > > > > > town. > > > > > Sorry to shatter illusions, but we're not the close > > > > > community people envision. My husband's family left > > > > > Chicago in 1974 when my husband's father's job was shifted > > > > > from the Joliet Arsenal to Rock Island, Ill. They settled > > > > > in WB as the kids wanted to attend University at Iowa. It > > > > > was an acceptable distance each way.I met my husband > > > > > whilst we we're at school in Iowa City. > > > > > Oh, we don't have a drug store. > > > > > Oh my god--we never have broccoli spears discussions--this > > > > > town just isn't like that at all... > > > > > As for Animal Control Advisory appointments, I made a HUGE > > > > > spectacle in '98 when my dogs were threatened on the part > > > > > of breed specific laws. What happened at that time was > > > > > that WB found out who I was and how much trouble I was > > > > > poised to cause. They then realised that everything to on > > > > > the topic would interest me, especially if it involved > > > > > bullies or pits. It was just an awareness thing. > > > > > The mail for the city I pick up are the once a month > > > > > mailings of the mintues and agenda for the next meeting. > > > > > That is it. > > > > > And as for reappointement to the commission,, who the hell > > > > > else wants it? No one. Path of least > > > > > resistance-reappoint. > > > > > Oh, and you asked about the bull terrier site--if you go > > > > > to the Bull Terrier Club of American website look up the > > > > > rescue link under Iowa--I should be there, not sure about > > > > > what else I'm under. I've not been there for over a year > > > > > myself. > > > > > Yeah, Jim's site here is really the only online space I > > > > > feel connected to. When I first got on 8 years back, I cut > > > > > my web teeth here and I feel safe. Kinda stupid, mainly a > > > > > lurker, really regrettable behaviour somtimes, but again I > > > > > owe Jim if not for a song, maybe for just a format. Many > > > > > other sites would have shut this discussion between us > > > > > down long ago. I never stop owing he guy. > > > > > Yeah, when it comes to codifications, yeah, tat's me in > > > > > politics... > > > > > You ask me where's my life is beyond this website and West > > > > > Branch's Animal Control Commission? Well, probably lost in > > > > > Proctor and Gamble (I do retail merchandising for them) > > > > > and my LIFE raising my kids and training my horses--other > > > > > than that, I just implied that I never cover my cyber > > > > > footprints on the web. > > > > > Susan, it's been a LONG day--I'll answer you > > > > > tomorrow--thanks for an interesting post--we're doing > > > > > cosmetic resets in Walmarts and my mind is tired and > > > > > fried. It was really cool to see your posts and I'll > > > > > responds-- > > > > > Thanks again and I also apologise again for being a bitch. > > > > > I won't do that to you again. If you trust anything thrust > > > > > that. i was as bad bitch.Bad BAD bitch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > t > > > > > > During online sessions I get a little light-headed as > > > > > > there is no air conditioning and the weather has turned > > > > > > summer-like, it being the summer and all, so I did not > > > > > > really make all the comments I wanted to make. I just > > > > > > selected the most blaring and left a few things out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The city council, who votes on appointments here, has > > > > > > > their own twice monthly meetings where such business takes > > > > > > > place. We don't have alot of direct contact with them > > > > > > > unless a situation arises or one of us has NOT been > > > > > > > reappointed! > > > > > > > > > > > > The town is 2000 people, not 2,000,000 people. You see > > > > > > them at the grocery store, you see them at the gas > > > > > > station, you see them at the drugstore, you see them at > > > > > > the mall. You see them out walking dogs, the ones you > > > > > > regulate, and you see them at town celebrations. You see > > > > > > them when you go and pick up your Commission mail (If you > > > > > > take the notes you are the function as recording secretary > > > > > > and also pick up the mail), you see them everywhere. > > > > > > Direct contact? You know each other's names, you know each > > > > > > other's children's names, dog's names, cars and license > > > > > > plate numbers. You know when they are home or on cruises, > > > > > > or sick, or happy. 2000 people is less than half the size > > > > > > of my high school in New York City. It is the number of > > > > > > people that fit into what used to be called the Felt Forum > > > > > > at Madison Square Garden. Your town is the size of a large > > > > > > club. People in this number travel to science fiction and > > > > > > other types of casual interest conventions. People who > > > > > > know each other have a tendency of recognizing each other > > > > > > in places. You know every member on that City Council if > > > > > > you have lived in that town for twenty three years, and > > > > > > direct contact exists. What do they talk to you about when > > > > > > you are looking at the broccoli spears together, gee, did > > > > > > the Animal Control Commission meet this month? Do you ask, > > > > > > what can the Council do to support the Animal Control > > > > > > Commission? We are an advisory commission, you know, > > > > > > nothing really, you say, as you pick one of the florets, > > > > > > and say have a good day. Politics is politics. It is one > > > > > > of those things that leads every discussion between those > > > > > > in politics. You aren't in politics you say? You are on > > > > > > the City website. You have a role in the City's > > > > > > governance. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was serving on the Friends of the library, I was > > > > > > required to attend City Council meetings. I had to be > > > > > > available to answer questions. Otherwise I was content to > > > > > > leave the City Council where it was, but I did go to one > > > > > > more meeting, and went to the podium twice I think, one to > > > > > > make a comment about the condition of a newly constructed > > > > > > square in town, where they happily left an old tree > > > > > > intact, but where they ignored cracks in the new brick > > > > > > work. I commented about the sorry condition of the > > > > > > lighting connections in that area and so on and so forth. > > > > > > Then I sat down and got back up when someone had a > > > > > > question that had to do with a tax issue....and as I used > > > > > > to work with tax issues extensively, I added the benefit > > > > > > of my insight. The Council meeting did not have a small > > > > > > attendance owing to the fact that many who didn't attend > > > > > > watched it on their cable hookups, and those who did were > > > > > > not a factor of your 3 multiplied by the multiplying > > > > > > factor of 5, equalling 15. Everyone who had a stake in > > > > > > what goes on in the city, had a greater tendency to be > > > > > > there. It is the kind of city that feels like your > > > > > > livingroom, an extention of your own home. Why does your > > > > > > city of 2000 not feel that way to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our agenda doesn't include reappointment > > > > > > > items--that is found on the city council's agenda--and I > > > > > > > rarely attend those meetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > Who would like to make a nomination for membership in the > > > > > > Animal Control Commission, where (insert number) terms are > > > > > > coming up for renewal. Should we renew their terms, who > > > > > > has something to say about the Animal Control Commission? > > > > > > And they do all of this without your being interested? > > > > > > Everyone is happy with all that the Animal Control > > > > > > Commission is advising? Or is this the reason why someone > > > > > > is able to put your name in the monthly minutes as if you > > > > > > are there? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two things in your life visible on the internet. > > > > > > The only activity you perform either professionally or > > > > > > casually, as a member of a commission that has no > > > > > > particular meaning to anyone, and this forum. Where is > > > > > > everything else? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We worry about the need for > > > > > > > cat ordianaces, pet shows and whatnot. But you have a > > > > > > > valid query--but such are the politics of small town > > > > > > > government...oh, and me taking minutes of the commission's > > > > > > > meetings and not wondering about my reappointment is > > > > > > > called 'no news is not changed news' because it wasn't on > > > > > > > our agenda! > > > > > > > > > > > > What did someone wake you up and ask, hey Leesa, see > > > > > > you're up, wanna be on the Aminal Control Comnision? We > > > > > > hear it is a sleeper spot, its yours if you want it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And no, Animal Control in and of itself is very different. > > > > > > > I was chair of the Bull Terrier Club's legislative > > > > > > > group--our focus was fair dog laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is their website? I'd like to see where you are, as > > > > > > you say, "all over the place". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a concerned pet > > > > > > > owner with experience working with city councils who were > > > > > > > recodifying their laws, I got more involved with West > > > > > > > Branch's recodification process which involved a > > > > > > > tremendous amount of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here is something interesting. More than one City > > > > > > Council. You get around? What other City Councils? You > > > > > > write the laws. Let's tell everyone what a recodification > > > > > > process is. A recodification process is that which > > > > > > rewrites the statutes and ordinances of a municipality for > > > > > > approval by the governing body of that municipality. As a > > > > > > concerned pet owner who doesn't care if the City Council > > > > > > has anything to say to or about you, while you serve on > > > > > > their Aminal Control Comnision, or is it that you just > > > > > > feel so secure that you don't care? And with all of this > > > > > > sophistication in your head, how did you get to single out > > > > > > the Jim Steinman's Message Board for your only internet > > > > > > activities? > > > > > > > > > > > > So much so that you had Jacqueline's direct involvement > > > > > > when you did? Picking your one online interest, and making > > > > > > it a point of attention, that you had no internet savvy > > > > > > and isn't it special that you would choose Jim Steinman to > > > > > > pay attention to and nobody else, and make sure it was > > > > > > known, noticed, noted, and chronicled? What is your > > > > > > actual history here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2002, our chief animal > > > > > > > control officer, the then police chief, shot a dog (in the > > > > > > > dog's fenced yard)which he thought to be the dog at large > > > > > > > in question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bumbling idiot. Who shoots a dog in their owner's yard? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It wasn't and all hell broke loose over where > > > > > > > our 4 yr old dog laws went wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing to do with dog laws, the guy was cracked in the > > > > > > head. Unless you wrote a law that said that people's dogs > > > > > > could get shot in their own yards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >West Branch was under > > > > > > > scrutiny of the entire state, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the state? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >so our little group was > > > > > > > formed at the-then mayor's request. > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you avoid enough of the City Coucil meetings it > > > > > > would be like you don't even exist, either? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Animal control per se is not something that I'm really > > > > > > > involved in to a meaningful degree--the education of > > > > > > > cities in regards to breed specific laws, especially as > > > > > > > they pertain to my breed is what I'm better versed in. > > > > > > > Other people do animal control, I don't I advise our > > > > > > > animal control here as a hobby. > > > > > > > I do apologise if I have misled you--you thought I was IN > > > > > > > /wanted to be IN animal control and was a PART-TIME Iowa > > > > > > > resident. Do you have any idea how many people in Iowa fit > > > > > > > that more specific bill? We have 2 other 'Leesa's in West > > > > > > > Branch alone! As soon as gallytrot/ter was mentioned, hey, > > > > > > > that's me. Sorry for confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > People usually know each other by their surnames if they > > > > > > don't have the same ones, or their streets, or their jobs, > > > > > > or their hair color. But you are special. With you, it's > > > > > > your email address? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as for the phone number, oh good god--319 is the area > > > > > > > code--that's an Iowa landline area code. You call, someone > > > > > > > picks it up---have a little faith--odds are it's eastern > > > > > > > Iowa. Again, why would someone like me put in the added > > > > > > > effort to hide my damned location? I mean after a while > > > > > > > you just have to trust...if I didn't want to be tracked, > > > > > > > I'd list my cell number! Call Liberty Telephone in West > > > > > > > Liberty, Iowa--I've had the same landline since 1984--why > > > > > > > would I reroute it? Believe me--if that number rings, it's > > > > > > > ringing in Iowa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not misconstruing this an invitation to call, and I > > > > > > have no reason to trust. Why would someone like anyone put > > > > > > in added effort to be someone they are not? There are many > > > > > > reasons. But it is a really special experience when they > > > > > > would do that and be present amongst those to be hid > > > > > > about. > > > > > > Why are you not using Liberty's internet services from the > > > > > > landline phone? They are almost half the price as your > > > > > > mchsi cable dsl. I noticed that the corporate headquarters > > > > > > of mchsi is in Middletown, New York, a small bit of > > > > > > distance away from Wappingers Falls, or even Connecticut. > > > > > > In a long streaming universe of possibles, you could be > > > > > > buddies with someone in that vicinity who gives you the > > > > > > IP, because they are the provider in West Branch, Iowa. > > > > > > The most internet savvy people know, that an IP address is > > > > > > only half the story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again don't have a clue about a Dennis Radar--he was > > > > > > > involved with animal control in Kansas? I have most > > > > > > > contact with the Bull Terrier Club of America, the AKC > > > > > > > club affiliate--names in our club I can trace and > > > > > > > recognise. > > > > > > > > > > > > He discussed his attendance at AKC meetings about various > > > > > > issues and breeds, in conversations with kennel club and > > > > > > other Aminal Control people, and Bull Terriers are a > > > > > > troubled breed, the Pit Bulls are. In Southern California, > > > > > > no breed is more loathed or feared, not Rottweiler, not > > > > > > Shephard, or Pinchers, none of them, but Pit Bulls. Pit > > > > > > Bulls kill people, adults and children alike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Our breed club hasn't had tremendous problems > > > > > > > with Kansas, say opposed to Ohio...but individual names in > > > > > > > different states/cities don't really matter with the > > > > > > > involvment I've had with this situation. I honestly have > > > > > > > no connection with Wichita--been there once driving > > > > > > > through on a family vacation about 40 years back---just a > > > > > > > coincidence. Again, why should I lie? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask? You are being asked, where is the truth? > > > > > > I'm assuming you are lying because there is something > > > > > > wrong with the fact that the RH cult became an > > > > > > uncontrollable living creature in and of itself by virtue > > > > > > of the unstoppable compulsion of one person to please one > > > > > > of their daddy's friends. And when the first Sal Piro > > > > > > dropped out, a new Sal Piro stepped in, also to please one > > > > > > of their daddy's friends, and its all in the family. So, > > > > > > Sal Piro remains as the leader and former and all of that, > > > > > > leaving the originator definitely out of it, while the > > > > > > originator keeps watch, like an advisory commission, by > > > > > > pretending to be a hapless internet unsavvy person who > > > > > > lives in a small 2000 population town and can't understand > > > > > > why there is all the fuss. Meanwhile I would be very happy > > > > > > to find some area of irrefutable difference between you > > > > > > two, but I find Tudor era meeting Tudor era interests,you > > > > > > having designated yourself Lady with resembles Thaya's > > > > > > designated "Baroness", resemblers to Thaya in the form of > > > > > > a touted diet doctor's photo you having written only one > > > > > > review, while the Leesa in Arizona seeks out a Hungarian > > > > > > SCA group to place her energies there into. Rocky Horror > > > > > > and SCA go hand in hand in many ways for many people, as I > > > > > > have seen numerous times. I wonder why that would be. Lady > > > > > > Greensleeves, what community does that name exist in > > > > > > within the SCA? I stated Thaya said she wanted to be in > > > > > > Animal Control and you say sharply that you have never > > > > > > been or wanted to be in Animal Control, letting out the > > > > > > fact that for years you have been writing animal > > > > > > regulations in not just one but many City Councils, and > > > > > > that for five years you have been on your own home > > > > > > location's Animal Control Commission, but you didn't know > > > > > > what I meant because you don't shoot animals in their > > > > > > owner's backyards. You have been on many diets according > > > > > > to your review of the diet doctor book, and Thaya was once > > > > > > admitted to an eating disorder program where she gained > > > > > > much insight into the nutritional substances and could not > > > > > > say enough back then about how much she learned, so in > > > > > > your review you are talking about the nutritional > > > > > > substances, and so I still don't find any difference. The > > > > > > only question I have is why Iowa? Is it because you have a > > > > > > friend there? > > > > > > Maybe the friend is willing to vouch for you on the phone > > > > > > when SHE answers the phone in her house. Maybe you are > > > > > > using her name, on this internet board, but exist > > > > > > elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |