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Bright_Eyes 09:18 pm UTC 10/14/07 |
| In reply to: | to Bright Eyes from Mr.Egg - Mr.Egg 10:54 pm UTC 10/13/07 |
| > Many thanks for your extremely detailed reply to my 'Bat > Out Of Hell Live' post. You have a very powerful way of > arguing a point. Thank you. > This does not mean that you are always > right but it does mean that you would make a wonderful > lawyer, if you are not one already. I will keep that in mind in case I decide to *get serious*. I actually did not even finish high school but I've always been argumentative. Perhaps I should look into this career option, if I decide I want a career when I am a grown up. If I decide I want to become a grown up. > I was fascinated by your theory about the 'Steinman Sound' > and how it is created. That made me see things in a > slightly different way. Would you say that the 'Steinman > Sound' is a factory process like the Andy Warhol factory > coming up with the Velvet Underground sound? I'd have to say I've never heard of that. > I still disagree on two points. > > 1). That the Melbourne Symphony recording was going to be > cheesy no matter what happened because Jim's music doesn't > lend itself to symphonic recording and Jim being involved > would have made no difference. > > If Jim had been involved, surely he would have been able > to stop the recording becoming what one poster called > "muzak". I'm sure some symphonic arrangements are better than others. If Steinman had the chance to create and manage one, I'm sure it would sound better. But I don't think Jim Steinman himself does symphony arrangements, I think he gets other people, like Steve Margoshes, to do those. So once again, making the Melbourne show sound like the Steinman we know would come down to having the collaborators from the Steinman Circle, like Margoshes and Rinkoff, who have developed the Steinman sound over the past thirty years, and not just Steinman himself. Somebody else in the thread implied Tanz is an example of a symphonic arrangement of Jim's music, but it is not a symphony arrangement. Tanz had electric guitars, piano, rock drums, synthesizers et cetera. Tanz had some of the same instruments a symphony has, but it was a rock musical hybrid arrangement. A symphony arrangement of the score of Tanz would be different. > Jim is a great composer. He will be remembered in two > hundred years time. He belongs in the same category as > Wagner. And he is a great producer. As good as George > Martin. He is a great producer, I believe better than George Martin. Martin was very skilled and a good fit for Lennon and McCartney's talent, but I don't think Martin used the producer's role to make a unique sound way beyond what his artist brought to the table. I agree that Steinman will have his fans two hundred years from now, because his work stands out so much and the people who really love it will be intense enough to keep it around. It might be kind of a cult following, like some of the older composers who most people haven't heard of, but who some people who are really into music continue to collect, discuss and promote. > I can assure you that he would have made a difference. Like I was saying before. Steinman himself, making suggestions on work that others started, maybe. The Steinman circle, including Margoshes and Rinkoff and the others, managing the symphony show from the beginning, definitely. > 2). That Jim has lost the right to the Bat Out Of Hell > brand. > > Actually he has the theatrical right to the trade mark. > Although I must admit that it's a sticky legal issue. Can > you remember when Roger Waters and David Gilmour went to > court over the Pink Floyd brand? I don't know the details of the legal rights, of who can release what. I wasn't saying he's lost his association to the Bat title. I was just saying that his association to it is no longer unique. Now there are other writers and another producer who have released work on a Meat Loaf album called Bat Out of Hell. So, if another writer is on a live DVD called Bat Out of Hell, this is not as anomalous as it used to be before 2006. > Anyway, it was nice to hear from you. I'm glad you liked the post. I had expected it to be universally and bitterly denounced as long and boring. > Best regards, > > Mr.Egg > > | |
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