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nowhere_fast 12:37 pm UTC 04/25/12 |
| In reply to: | Also - rockfenris2005 12:23 pm UTC 04/25/12 |
| yeah billy did very well.I prefer The Stranger to 52nd street.Mainly cause of "scenes from an italian restaurant" But both are great albums > > Yes. You're right. They call it the second album curse. > Loads of artists have fallen into this trap. Off the top > of my head, Alanis Morissette. "Jagged Little Pill" was > huge but I can't even remember the name of the follow-up. > I don't think I've even heard one of the songs. There was > also Hootie and the Blowfish "Cracked Rear View". That was > humungous. Then there was "Fairweather Johnson". Most > recently Wolfmother in Australia, that epic first album > and then they changed the line-up almost completely for > that second album and I don't think that did as well and > who knows what's happening with the third. But then > there's Queen "A Day at the Races", Pink Floyd "Wish you > were here" which is one of the best follow-up albums of > all time for me, and Billy Joel "52nd Street" which was > just as good if not better than "The Stranger". Carole > King seems to be pretty much remembered for just one album > these days, "Tapestry", even though we know she's made > dozens of others. > > > > > Ideally, as much as I love "Dead Ringer" and "Back into > > Hell", I would have wanted that second album to be "Bad > > for Good" - as we know it - with Meat's vocals. We > > probably would have had the definitive versions of "Bad > > for Good", "Surf's up" and "Left in the dark" without all > > of these covers that differ in quality. Ah well. I can't > > really complain with the way it's all turned out because > > like I said I love those albums. My problem with "Dead > > Ringer" as you said is the production. I'd really like to > > see another attempt at it. Any musicians here should rally > > together and put together a fully produced tribute album > > and I can pretty much guarantee that it would sound > > better, at least sonically speaking. Those songs are > > amazing. There is not one track on "Dead Ringer" I do not > > like A LOT. > > > > > > > Thanks.I have that book as well.Along with a bunch of > > > print interviews from the music mags at the time.Just > > > didnt go looking. > > > They really did suffer from the follow up album problem > > > that a lot of artist have.The record company is keen to > > > rush the artist back into the studio while the artists may > > > need a bit more time to develop the songs or to recover > > > from touring and what not.And jimmy is not known for his > > > speed > > > > > > > > > > > I dug this out, from “Meat Loaf Jim Steinman and the > > > > Phenomenology of Excess” by Sandy Robertson, 1981 Omnibus > > > > Press. > > > > > > > > “The sequel to ‘Bat Out Of Hell’ was to be released in > > > > June 1979. June came and went, and the release date was > > > > put back week by week. The album was ‘Renegade Angel’ then > > > > ‘Bad For Good’ then ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Dreams Come Through’. > > > > Track listing changed constantly. Producers cited included > > > > Jimmy Iovine, Todd Rundgren and Steinman himself. As the > > > > delays wore on, the rumours grew more outrageous. > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf had lost his voice. > > > > Meat Loaf had gone mad. > > > > The master tapes were lost/stolen/destroyed. > > > > The songs stunk like a ten-day corpse. > > > > > > > > Visiting the CBS conference via Concorde with his new wife > > > > Leslie, Meat laughed off all this as he told me in > > > > September ’79: “We’ll have it out in January. I went in > > > > for about four weeks and did vocals, but we didn’t like > > > > ‘em ‘cause I haven’t lived with the songs… Steinman’s, > > > > they’re really different, so you have to live with the > > > > mothers.” > > > > While not being entirely frank, Meat remained confidence, > > > > on the surface at least. “I’m not even gonna be around > > > > when they finish mixing it. I might break up a bar, > > > > destroy a pub when the album’s through, go in and bust a > > > > few mirrors. The title song has cannons on it!” > > > > > > > > Also, I found the story: > > > > > > > > Sound Magazine – Canada > > > > June 1978 > > > > By Ritchie Yorke > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > > > Q. Your point is well made, what can you tell us about the > > > > next Meat Loaf album? > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf: Well, we’ve got one song called Everything Is > > > > Permitted which is real good. It’s along the same theme as > > > > the first album. Plus there’s a tune called More Than You > > > > Deserve which we’ve been doing for a long time on stage. > > > > In a way, it’s become a sort of theme song, but we’ve > > > > never had the right arrangements for it. Jim has worked on > > > > it a lot and I now think we’ve gotten it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm if that is true i wonder if EIP would have ended the > > > > > album like it does on DR. > > > > > EIP is the only song on the album that sounds like it is > > > > > from Neverland as far as the lyrics go although having > > > > > peter singing "I'll kill you if.."as a lament to wendy > > > > > going back home would be interesting.lol > > > > > I like the songs on DR but i have never been a big fan of > > > > > the production on the album. > > > > > > > > > > Of course jim having his lyric book stolen didnt help. > > > > > I guess i really should say Renegade angel when talking > > > > > about the album that never was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if Meat had done that album it also would have > > > > > > included "More than you deserve" which they'd played on > > > > > > tour, and also "Everything is permitted" was mentioned in > > > > > > 79 I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good point.What songs did they start to work on as > > > > > > > the follow up to Bat? > > > > > > > We know what songs are on BFG and Deadringer yet we dont > > > > > > > really know which songs jim had planned for the album that > > > > > > > never was with meat on vocals.Would it have been BFG as we > > > > > > > know it or could there have been a different album track > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. I wonder if Meat did actually record (or > > > > > > > > attempt to record) a version back in 79/80/81. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory.As much as i love meats version with the extra lines, > > > > > > > > > Bad for good has been with me since i got the album for my > > > > > > > > > 10th birthday,30 years ago. > > > > > > > > > The melody is un jim like in a way.Its direct and the > > > > > > > > > track sounds clean and crisp,even now 30 odd years later > > > > > > > > > And the opening of RnR dreams is always thrilling. > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine who is a big Meat loaf fan told me she > > > > > > > > > likes the bat 2 version better as the BFG version sounds a > > > > > > > > > bit too happy. > > > > > > > > > I said thats the point.Its the exhale of breath after the > > > > > > > > > drama of Left in the dark which in my minds eye ends in > > > > > > > > > that dark room but RnR dreams is the beam of light from > > > > > > > > > the slightly open door to something better than what is > > > > > > > > > there in the present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meat or Rory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta go with those 3 as well.But i would love to have > > > > > > > > > > > been there when Rock and roll dreams was done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you could go back in time and watch stuff being > > > > > > > > > > > > recorded, what would it be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll start with my top three (in no particular order): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When Todd supposedly picked up the guitar to record the > > > > > > > > > > > > "motorcycle", improvised, on Bat Out Of Hell. I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > see what actually happened there. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The recording of Prey Lewd. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Quite frankly, all of For Crying Out Loud. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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