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rockfenris2005 05:52 am UTC 07/16/11 |
| In reply to: | Well, have a read of this - rockfenris2005 05:51 am UTC 07/16/11 |
> > "I don't listen to Barry Manilow, however. I think he's > ridiculous. But I thought it was NOT ridiculous to produce > him. They asked me if I could produce this song that had > already been on a Meat Loaf album ('Read 'Em And Weep' > from the 'Dead Ringer' LP or was it 'Nose Out Of Hell'? > -Ed.), and they said they were going to do it whether I > was involved or not. And I hate the idea of one of my > songs being done without my control, and I knew what a > Manilow version of the song would be like if I didn't > produce it. Plus, they offered me lots of money, which I > used to finance other projects. > > "The version I did unfortunately never got heard - he > refused to release it, and I had to remix it. It was very > powerful, though, some of the best guitars and loudest > drums I've ever put on." > > > > I think Meat's rendition destroys Barry's. And I know, > > Jim wholly produced Barry's, and on Meat's he maybe had > > his fingers in the pie of the basic tracks, maybe not even > > that. I agree with everyone who says Barry's vocals are > > cold, emotionless, robotic, uninspiring, whatever... But > > I found that even the production that Jim did for Barry > > was bland by Jim's standards. I've honestly only listened > > to it maybe, oh, 8 or 9 times in 15 years or so, that's > > how much it moved me. Or didn't. I don't have it handy > > right now to brush up on it, but my best recollection is > > that the whole thing left me with a feeling akin to blue > > balls; I kept waiting for it to "Steinman Up," the > > anticipation mounting more and more as the song rolls on, > > waiting for... something, anything... something Steinmany, > > and then it never really came. As I didn't :) Maybe Jim > > just couldn't pull what he needed out of Barry, so he > > didn't bother pushing for something that wasn't there. > > > > But as for Meat's version - I think its one of his best > > vocals on Dead Ringer (which I know is arguably not saying > > much.) I really enjoy Meat's deeper register on this > > song, and I think his voice is genuinely good throughout, > > up until it starts to crack a bit on the "For all the > > hours we'll be spending alone..." bit toward the end. > > > > Oh, and as to the new verse in Barry's version... It had > > always sort of rankled me that Jim repeated a verse in > > Meat's version. It struck me as laziness, like, can you > > really not come up with one more lousy verse? But then, > > for Barry, it seems Jim just went and came up with one > > more lousy verse. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm not fond > > of the extra verse Jim wrote for Barry's version. Its > > always felt to me like Jim just decided he needed another > > verse and rushed one out, the first passable stanza he > > could come up with. Its not bad, really, but it just seems > > very rote by Jim's standards, and doesn't really add much > > to the song. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for Barry's, I'm about to hear it now. It's been too > > > > long. > > > I thought the same until I went to youtube and heard it. > > > Manilow has absolutely no emotion and leaves the song cold > > > to me. Meat's live version on youtube (if it is still > > > there) was miles better than Barry's live version I > > > watched as well. On his worst day vocally (aka > > > Dortmund)I'd still listen to Meat's first without > > > question. | |
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