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samurai7 01:44 pm UTC 04/25/12 |
| In reply to: | re: If you could be present for one Steinman recording - rockfenris2005 01:20 pm UTC 04/25/12 |
| I'm in complete agreement with this post. I saw Meat in 1996 pull off an INCREDIBLE live version of Left In The Dark, which kicked the WTTN album version all over the park. > > I love the versions of "Frying pan" and "Rock and roll > dreams" on Bat 2. I love the remix of "Guitar" with the > added sound effects. But the other covers without Jim's > involvement don't really do it for me. "Bad for Good" I > think has to be the worst because I felt, even with Brian > May on guitar, they sucked the life out of that one. It > sort of just plods along for me. Actually I think the > worst parts of "Monster is Loose" are the versions of > Jim's songs. "Surf's up" on "Bad Attitude", which I love, > has a great vocal and I can appreciate the track more as a > Meat Loaf fan, but the production isn't very Steinman for > me. It seems to lack that power. Meat's vocal probably > would have sounded better more subtle on the original too. > I think "Heaven can wait". "Left in the dark", again, > lacks the power for me though I once heard a live version > with Meat in 96 and I got scared. Seriously I got scared > because I had never heard him so emotionally worked up. He > was just yelling at one point in that song and I was, > like, whoa. I wish I could find that track. > > As for "Dead Ringer", I'm surprised given the > circumstances that Jim didn't hand him more recycled > songs. I mean, he could have given him stuff like "Who > needs the young", "Train of love", "You've got to love me > with the sun in your eyes (Until the day that you go > blind)", but instead he writes all of this new material. > > I sometimes wonder if Jim's commitment on both "Bad for > Good" and "Dead Ringer" took such a toll that it made him > not as prolific as he used to be? > > > Out of the 3 songs you mention only meats later album > > version of BFG is not so good > > I dont mind the other BFG songs that Meat did on his later > > albums. > > This is where you look at the songs that became DR and > > wonder why jim gave those ones to meat. > > What was the thinking there,one song over another.And how > > much chat went on between meat and jim around this time > > "Peel out" is a bit weak musically.It starts well but when > > the verse kicks in it just loses something but the rest of > > the album works very well > > > > > > > > > > Ideally, as much as I love "Dead Ringer" and "Back into > > > Hell", I would have wanted that second album to be "Bad > > > for Good" - as we know it - with Meat's vocals. We > > > probably would have had the definitive versions of "Bad > > > for Good", "Surf's up" and "Left in the dark" without all > > > of these covers that differ in quality. Ah well. I can't > > > really complain with the way it's all turned out because > > > like I said I love those albums. My problem with "Dead > > > Ringer" as you said is the production. I'd really like to > > > see another attempt at it. Any musicians here should rally > > > together and put together a fully produced tribute album > > > and I can pretty much guarantee that it would sound > > > better, at least sonically speaking. Those songs are > > > amazing. There is not one track on "Dead Ringer" I do not > > > like A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.I have that book as well.Along with a bunch of > > > > print interviews from the music mags at the time.Just > > > > didnt go looking. > > > > They really did suffer from the follow up album problem > > > > that a lot of artist have.The record company is keen to > > > > rush the artist back into the studio while the artists may > > > > need a bit more time to develop the songs or to recover > > > > from touring and what not.And jimmy is not known for his > > > > speed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dug this out, from “Meat Loaf Jim Steinman and the > > > > > Phenomenology of Excess” by Sandy Robertson, 1981 Omnibus > > > > > Press. > > > > > > > > > > “The sequel to ‘Bat Out Of Hell’ was to be released in > > > > > June 1979. June came and went, and the release date was > > > > > put back week by week. The album was ‘Renegade Angel’ then > > > > > ‘Bad For Good’ then ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Dreams Come Through’. > > > > > Track listing changed constantly. Producers cited included > > > > > Jimmy Iovine, Todd Rundgren and Steinman himself. As the > > > > > delays wore on, the rumours grew more outrageous. > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf had lost his voice. > > > > > Meat Loaf had gone mad. > > > > > The master tapes were lost/stolen/destroyed. > > > > > The songs stunk like a ten-day corpse. > > > > > > > > > > Visiting the CBS conference via Concorde with his new wife > > > > > Leslie, Meat laughed off all this as he told me in > > > > > September ’79: “We’ll have it out in January. I went in > > > > > for about four weeks and did vocals, but we didn’t like > > > > > ‘em ‘cause I haven’t lived with the songs… Steinman’s, > > > > > they’re really different, so you have to live with the > > > > > mothers.” > > > > > While not being entirely frank, Meat remained confidence, > > > > > on the surface at least. “I’m not even gonna be around > > > > > when they finish mixing it. I might break up a bar, > > > > > destroy a pub when the album’s through, go in and bust a > > > > > few mirrors. The title song has cannons on it!” > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found the story: > > > > > > > > > > Sound Magazine – Canada > > > > > June 1978 > > > > > By Ritchie Yorke > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > > > > > Q. Your point is well made, what can you tell us about the > > > > > next Meat Loaf album? > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf: Well, we’ve got one song called Everything Is > > > > > Permitted which is real good. It’s along the same theme as > > > > > the first album. Plus there’s a tune called More Than You > > > > > Deserve which we’ve been doing for a long time on stage. > > > > > In a way, it’s become a sort of theme song, but we’ve > > > > > never had the right arrangements for it. Jim has worked on > > > > > it a lot and I now think we’ve gotten it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm if that is true i wonder if EIP would have ended the > > > > > > album like it does on DR. > > > > > > EIP is the only song on the album that sounds like it is > > > > > > from Neverland as far as the lyrics go although having > > > > > > peter singing "I'll kill you if.."as a lament to wendy > > > > > > going back home would be interesting.lol > > > > > > I like the songs on DR but i have never been a big fan of > > > > > > the production on the album. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course jim having his lyric book stolen didnt help. > > > > > > I guess i really should say Renegade angel when talking > > > > > > about the album that never was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if Meat had done that album it also would have > > > > > > > included "More than you deserve" which they'd played on > > > > > > > tour, and also "Everything is permitted" was mentioned in > > > > > > > 79 I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good point.What songs did they start to work on as > > > > > > > > the follow up to Bat? > > > > > > > > We know what songs are on BFG and Deadringer yet we dont > > > > > > > > really know which songs jim had planned for the album that > > > > > > > > never was with meat on vocals.Would it have been BFG as we > > > > > > > > know it or could there have been a different album track > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. I wonder if Meat did actually record (or > > > > > > > > > attempt to record) a version back in 79/80/81. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory.As much as i love meats version with the extra lines, > > > > > > > > > > Bad for good has been with me since i got the album for my > > > > > > > > > > 10th birthday,30 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > The melody is un jim like in a way.Its direct and the > > > > > > > > > > track sounds clean and crisp,even now 30 odd years later > > > > > > > > > > And the opening of RnR dreams is always thrilling. > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine who is a big Meat loaf fan told me she > > > > > > > > > > likes the bat 2 version better as the BFG version sounds a > > > > > > > > > > bit too happy. > > > > > > > > > > I said thats the point.Its the exhale of breath after the > > > > > > > > > > drama of Left in the dark which in my minds eye ends in > > > > > > > > > > that dark room but RnR dreams is the beam of light from > > > > > > > > > > the slightly open door to something better than what is > > > > > > > > > > there in the present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meat or Rory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta go with those 3 as well.But i would love to have > > > > > > > > > > > > been there when Rock and roll dreams was done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you could go back in time and watch stuff being > > > > > > > > > > > > > recorded, what would it be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll start with my top three (in no particular order): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When Todd supposedly picked up the guitar to record the > > > > > > > > > > > > > "motorcycle", improvised, on Bat Out Of Hell. I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what actually happened there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The recording of Prey Lewd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Quite frankly, all of For Crying Out Loud. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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