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nowhere_fast 06:22 am UTC 04/26/12 |
| In reply to: | re: If you could be present for one Steinman recording - rockfenris2005 01:20 pm UTC 04/25/12 |
| Yep.lol Same goes for the version of Seize the night.It doesnt soar,it limps along As for meats Surfs up.To me the whole Bad attitude album sounds see through.If that makes sense.The production makes the album float across my ears.It doesnt rip down into the middle of my skull like Bat does But i like the songs on the album I saw all the shows that Meat did here in Oz on the WTTN tour and yeah i loved that live version of LITD.The lamp and the chair.Such a simple staging but it worked. Further to my comment about Peel out.Having seen the clip and now owning the Deadringer movie.The song works well in the movie with meat on the back of the ute.Should have been a harley though Hmmm not sure how the record company who would have been after hits would have reacted to Who needs the young being on the album > > I love the versions of "Frying pan" and "Rock and roll > dreams" on Bat 2. I love the remix of "Guitar" with the > added sound effects. But the other covers without Jim's > involvement don't really do it for me. "Bad for Good" I > think has to be the worst because I felt, even with Brian > May on guitar, they sucked the life out of that one. It > sort of just plods along for me. Actually I think the > worst parts of "Monster is Loose" are the versions of > Jim's songs. "Surf's up" on "Bad Attitude", which I love, > has a great vocal and I can appreciate the track more as a > Meat Loaf fan, but the production isn't very Steinman for > me. It seems to lack that power. Meat's vocal probably > would have sounded better more subtle on the original too. > I think "Heaven can wait". "Left in the dark", again, > lacks the power for me though I once heard a live version > with Meat in 96 and I got scared. Seriously I got scared > because I had never heard him so emotionally worked up. He > was just yelling at one point in that song and I was, > like, whoa. I wish I could find that track. > > As for "Dead Ringer", I'm surprised given the > circumstances that Jim didn't hand him more recycled > songs. I mean, he could have given him stuff like "Who > needs the young", "Train of love", "You've got to love me > with the sun in your eyes (Until the day that you go > blind)", but instead he writes all of this new material. > > I sometimes wonder if Jim's commitment on both "Bad for > Good" and "Dead Ringer" took such a toll that it made him > not as prolific as he used to be? > > > Out of the 3 songs you mention only meats later album > > version of BFG is not so good > > I dont mind the other BFG songs that Meat did on his later > > albums. > > This is where you look at the songs that became DR and > > wonder why jim gave those ones to meat. > > What was the thinking there,one song over another.And how > > much chat went on between meat and jim around this time > > "Peel out" is a bit weak musically.It starts well but when > > the verse kicks in it just loses something but the rest of > > the album works very well > > > > > > > > > > Ideally, as much as I love "Dead Ringer" and "Back into > > > Hell", I would have wanted that second album to be "Bad > > > for Good" - as we know it - with Meat's vocals. We > > > probably would have had the definitive versions of "Bad > > > for Good", "Surf's up" and "Left in the dark" without all > > > of these covers that differ in quality. Ah well. I can't > > > really complain with the way it's all turned out because > > > like I said I love those albums. My problem with "Dead > > > Ringer" as you said is the production. I'd really like to > > > see another attempt at it. Any musicians here should rally > > > together and put together a fully produced tribute album > > > and I can pretty much guarantee that it would sound > > > better, at least sonically speaking. Those songs are > > > amazing. There is not one track on "Dead Ringer" I do not > > > like A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.I have that book as well.Along with a bunch of > > > > print interviews from the music mags at the time.Just > > > > didnt go looking. > > > > They really did suffer from the follow up album problem > > > > that a lot of artist have.The record company is keen to > > > > rush the artist back into the studio while the artists may > > > > need a bit more time to develop the songs or to recover > > > > from touring and what not.And jimmy is not known for his > > > > speed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dug this out, from “Meat Loaf Jim Steinman and the > > > > > Phenomenology of Excess” by Sandy Robertson, 1981 Omnibus > > > > > Press. > > > > > > > > > > “The sequel to ‘Bat Out Of Hell’ was to be released in > > > > > June 1979. June came and went, and the release date was > > > > > put back week by week. The album was ‘Renegade Angel’ then > > > > > ‘Bad For Good’ then ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Dreams Come Through’. > > > > > Track listing changed constantly. Producers cited included > > > > > Jimmy Iovine, Todd Rundgren and Steinman himself. As the > > > > > delays wore on, the rumours grew more outrageous. > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf had lost his voice. > > > > > Meat Loaf had gone mad. > > > > > The master tapes were lost/stolen/destroyed. > > > > > The songs stunk like a ten-day corpse. > > > > > > > > > > Visiting the CBS conference via Concorde with his new wife > > > > > Leslie, Meat laughed off all this as he told me in > > > > > September ’79: “We’ll have it out in January. I went in > > > > > for about four weeks and did vocals, but we didn’t like > > > > > ‘em ‘cause I haven’t lived with the songs… Steinman’s, > > > > > they’re really different, so you have to live with the > > > > > mothers.” > > > > > While not being entirely frank, Meat remained confidence, > > > > > on the surface at least. “I’m not even gonna be around > > > > > when they finish mixing it. I might break up a bar, > > > > > destroy a pub when the album’s through, go in and bust a > > > > > few mirrors. The title song has cannons on it!” > > > > > > > > > > Also, I found the story: > > > > > > > > > > Sound Magazine – Canada > > > > > June 1978 > > > > > By Ritchie Yorke > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > > > > > > Q. Your point is well made, what can you tell us about the > > > > > next Meat Loaf album? > > > > > > > > > > Meat Loaf: Well, we’ve got one song called Everything Is > > > > > Permitted which is real good. It’s along the same theme as > > > > > the first album. Plus there’s a tune called More Than You > > > > > Deserve which we’ve been doing for a long time on stage. > > > > > In a way, it’s become a sort of theme song, but we’ve > > > > > never had the right arrangements for it. Jim has worked on > > > > > it a lot and I now think we’ve gotten it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm if that is true i wonder if EIP would have ended the > > > > > > album like it does on DR. > > > > > > EIP is the only song on the album that sounds like it is > > > > > > from Neverland as far as the lyrics go although having > > > > > > peter singing "I'll kill you if.."as a lament to wendy > > > > > > going back home would be interesting.lol > > > > > > I like the songs on DR but i have never been a big fan of > > > > > > the production on the album. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course jim having his lyric book stolen didnt help. > > > > > > I guess i really should say Renegade angel when talking > > > > > > about the album that never was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if Meat had done that album it also would have > > > > > > > included "More than you deserve" which they'd played on > > > > > > > tour, and also "Everything is permitted" was mentioned in > > > > > > > 79 I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a good point.What songs did they start to work on as > > > > > > > > the follow up to Bat? > > > > > > > > We know what songs are on BFG and Deadringer yet we dont > > > > > > > > really know which songs jim had planned for the album that > > > > > > > > never was with meat on vocals.Would it have been BFG as we > > > > > > > > know it or could there have been a different album track > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. I wonder if Meat did actually record (or > > > > > > > > > attempt to record) a version back in 79/80/81. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory.As much as i love meats version with the extra lines, > > > > > > > > > > Bad for good has been with me since i got the album for my > > > > > > > > > > 10th birthday,30 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > The melody is un jim like in a way.Its direct and the > > > > > > > > > > track sounds clean and crisp,even now 30 odd years later > > > > > > > > > > And the opening of RnR dreams is always thrilling. > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine who is a big Meat loaf fan told me she > > > > > > > > > > likes the bat 2 version better as the BFG version sounds a > > > > > > > > > > bit too happy. > > > > > > > > > > I said thats the point.Its the exhale of breath after the > > > > > > > > > > drama of Left in the dark which in my minds eye ends in > > > > > > > > > > that dark room but RnR dreams is the beam of light from > > > > > > > > > > the slightly open door to something better than what is > > > > > > > > > > there in the present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meat or Rory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta go with those 3 as well.But i would love to have > > > > > > > > > > > > been there when Rock and roll dreams was done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if you could go back in time and watch stuff being > > > > > > > > > > > > > recorded, what would it be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll start with my top three (in no particular order): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When Todd supposedly picked up the guitar to record the > > > > > > > > > > > > > "motorcycle", improvised, on Bat Out Of Hell. I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > see what actually happened there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The recording of Prey Lewd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Quite frankly, all of For Crying Out Loud. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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