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rockfenris2005 02:14 pm UTC 11/07/07 |
| In reply to: | re: elaborating - wenners 11:29 am UTC 11/07/07 |
| > When Bat was released there was very little airplay what > turned a lot of people on to it was this 200 pound plus > guy belting out these bombastic songs. If "Bat Out Of Hell" succeeded because of Meat Loaf, how come all his other stuff (bar "Back Into Hell") didn't measure up? All those albums had a "200 pound plus guy belting out these bombastic songs." You also have to remember that Sonenberg screwed everyone over. It was supposed to be Meat & Jim, not Meat Loaf. When it was left as just "Meat Loaf" it put all the focus on him. This made Steinman resent Meat, and Meat "the superstar." Meat said he went to psychologists saying "I never wanted to be a superstar" and he said that it was supposed to be a project between he and Jim. I believe Meat and Jim have half the problems they have because it didn't say "Meat & Jim". So how come MAFLAF, BA, CHSIB and all the others didn't succeed because they had the same fat guy singing them? > You have to have someone who can > bring them to life and Meat with his presence did that to > Jim’s Music better than anyone. Personally, I think that's a cop out to Bonnie Tyler and others. Bonnie's voice is just as, if not more, distinct than Meat's. It sounds like something from "The Exorcist". Bonnie's vocals on "Total Eclipse Of The Heart" moved me a lot more than Meat's vocals on "Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad" > > There are hundred and thousands of singers who can > probably sing better than Meat > Stick them in a studio and they will probably sound > fantastic but are they marketable > Can they go out on a stage and perform can they sell the > music to the masses > Meat Loaf could. It's funny, because no one thought Meat was marketable until BOOH took off. You might as well say the same about Steve Barton. Jim could have written him an album and it could have been the best thing since sliced bat. But we'll never know about that. The odds of the original BAT succeeding were next to none. > > 30 years on his voice no longer what it was yet he is > still filling venues around the world why because people > go to see him perform. You don’t last 30 years in the > music business with out being able to perform. They could go for a number of different reasons. I don't know. I haven't asked everyone who's ever gone to one of his shows. Personally, I would go because I want to be reminded of the first time, say, I heard "Paradise By The Dashboard Light". > > Pandora’s box great album great songs but whom outside the > realms of Steinman/Loaf/Tyler fans has the album. How many > people do you know that fall out of this distinction own a > copy in their record collection? Now all the artist great > singers fantastic voices great songs but not enough to > make it a hit album, Why? "Pandora's Box" was an outright flop. Not because Meat didn't sing the vocals (we'd already seen that Steinman had been successful without Meat in the 80s) but because the project was too ambitious and dark. I think people in the 1980s were more interesting in listening to Madonna and Sinead O'Connor than a mutant resurrection of the Shangri-Las singing about a mid-life crisis. > > Same with Bad for good, my second favourite album > brilliant songs but not a commercial success once again > Why? It wasn't a complete flop either. I know "Rock And Roll Dreams" charted and the album went platinum. None of Meat's 80s albums would have come close. > > What has allowed Jim to do what he has over the years and > what has allowed Meat to do what he has over the years is > the coming together of the pair of them. No. What's kept Jim doing his projects is "Total Eclipse Of The Heart". "Bat Out Of Hell" was the combined product of a team of people. Jim had grown confident and gained experience when he worked with Bonnie. "Total Eclipse" was a complete Steinman entity--production, direction, arrangements--and nothing on BAT 1 reached the No. 1 position, and definitely not at the same time as "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All" reached No. 2 Not even "Objects" or "Rock And Roll Dreams" pulled this trick when Jim had his first No. 1 with Meat with "Anything For Love". Jim the writer > Meat Loaf the performer what you hear of Jim today was > born from the success of that union the same with Meat > loaf Yes, it was born from it, but that's not where he found true success. It's like saying Disney was born from "Steamboat Willie" and Mickey Mouse but "Snow White", "Pinocchio" and "Fantasia" were the true moments. "Total Eclipse" was Jim's Fantasia. I get more out of that song than I do the entire BOOH album. > > They are both living of that success 30 years later and > why not. They both market themselves one as the writer the > other as the performer Meat's living off that success, and "Rocky Horror" (and maybe "Fight Club"). Jim is living off success with Bonnie Tyler, the No.1/No.2 chart thing, Barry Manilow, Barbra Streisand, "Footloose"/"Short Circuit", "Streets Of Fire", The Sisters Of Mercy, Celine Dion, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Roman Polanski, "Anastasia", "The Mask Of Zorro", MTV and "Shrek 2". If he needed Meat, his musical wouldn't have gotten funded. The investors would have demanded for Meat's involvement. > > Larger than life songs require a larger than life > performer. > Well, Jim's songs are like musical theatre pieces. Any actor can audition and play the part if they're good enough. To me, it doesn't feel like like Diana Ross & The Supremes embodying a Holland/Dozier song | |
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